Any one with Tygon Norprene + compression fittings?

[Sniper101]

Hi all,

I can understand a little bit german but its not my native language...im your friendly neighbour from Holland.

I ordered Tygon R6012 Norprene Black tubing and 1 meter PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT (3/8 - 5/8) and Bitspower mat black compression fittings (3/8 - 5/8).

Putting the PrimoChill on the barb of the bitspower took some force (which is good imo) and tighten the nut as best as i can. Next i tried to pull of the tube i almost done it it take a lot of force to be able to get the tube out. Its even harder or impossible on a Koolance compression fitting. With that said on to the Tygon tubing.

Putting the Norprene on the bitspower took less force to put it on the barb and tightening the barb was easy in comparison with primochill i could go all the way till the "bottom", which i couldnt do with bitspower not with the finger that is...
Next i tried to pull the tubing since norprene is kind of elastic and it came off the force applied was "decent" you still need some force to pull it out, but you CAN pull it out. Other then that it is tight...i hope so....

Should i be concerned? I saw pictures of people using tygon norprene and compression, including users from hardwaredeluxx using Norprene with compression fittings seems they like it... see post #8790 of below link and post #8689 second link


http://www.hardwareluxx.de/communit...t-regelupdate-1-post-beachten-798487-352.html

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/communit...t-regelupdate-1-post-beachten-798487-348.html

This guy uses the exact same equipment as i do with norprene and bitspower compression 3/8 - 5/8 and says the following: "Norprene is awesome to work with, soft and flexible and zero effort tightening fittings. Anyone who has rubbed their fingers raw on compression fittings will appreciate that. I used 3/8"-5/8". link:

OCN Water Cooling Club And Picture Gallery (post post #31600 scroll down to see his many pics)

The reason i went with Tygon R6012 norprene is for "ant-plastisizer" and the industrial looks.

Some say use barbs with hose clamps with norprene but i already have my bitspower compression fittings.

And then we have the PSI rating of the Norprene tubing another thing to consider i have no clue what the impact is from my D5 pump is on the norprene i heard the rating of regular is much higher then that of norprene. Im really starting to regret this tubing and the wasted money if it wasnt for the tightness and PSI issue this would be an awesome tube!

If you guys have experience with norprene or EK-Tube ZMT with compression fittings please share your thoughts or concerns (if you had actual experience with it or know people using it with compression fittings)

Im wondering if i should continue using this tubing or switch to masterkleer, primochill etc etc?

Thanks in advance.

 

[DeathMetal]

Greetings Sniper,

and welcome to HWLuxx.

If I understand you correctly, you're asking if Norprene Tubing goes well with compression fittings, right? If so, it would be adviced to keep your questions short because it may get lost in a long text thats even in a language many user here might not understand.

Also, it would be helpfull if you could provide pictures. Compression fitting are of course very common but not everyone might instantly be able to understand what kind of fitting you are talking about since they are called differently in german. The links you provide didnt lead to anything usefull as far as I can see. Just give us a quick shot of your setup and we all know what you are talking about.

On topic:
I personally never used Norprene, but know several users around here, that used them for some time. Basically, if you can pull the tubing out of the fittings when the nut is on, you most likely wont be very safe.

 

[GliderHR]

Hi,
Under normal circumstances I use PVC tubes (16/10mm).
I ordered few meters of Tygon R6012 too. I have Koolance and no name compression fittings (16/10 and 16/11). I will make some tests and reports asap.
All I know now is that you can pull 16/10 PVC tube out of compression fittings with force, depending what fitting was uses.

 

[Alitneroon]

Hi, I have monsoon compression fittings and norprene tubing @13/10. I assembled it 2weeks ago, and I can say that it is indeed a little bit easier to fit on the barb than my old masterkleer pvc, but I have no leaks, it looks nice, no problem with the pressure of the pump, and most importantly no residual plasticizers in the loop. Hope that this is useful to you. Best regards alitneroon

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[JackA]

Hello Sniper101 and welcome to HWluxx.

I think you mean following posts: click me, and click me

you compare 2 different manufacturer of fittings (Koolance and Bitspower) with the same dimensions and you have the problem with Bitspower that you can pull off the Tygon Neoprene tubing with normal force.
I would say it is no problem if you have no leakage issues. To be sure I would test the setup over night for several hours.
I don't use Neoprene tubing but i know from my past 8/11 setups, that i always could pull off the tubing with normal force.
Now i am using 10/16 tubing (Materkleer) just with 10mm barbs without clamps and can pull off the tube easily with a bit force, but it is still without leakage and this is enough for me (my system is working with these barb fittings now 3 months whithout issues).

 

[Sniper101]

Thanks SO much for all the feedback guys,

Im leaning more and more on the PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT since i got 1 meter of it. I can tell you its almost impossible to put it on the koolance barb unless i prep it with hot water. And its IMPOSSIBLE to pull it out once the nut is on. I also put the primoflex LRT on the bitspower and i can confirm its a real tight fit cant screw the nut all the way and trying to pull it out takes alot of force.

Now i totally missed this PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT i was under the impression it was very prone to plastisizer but that was for the PrimoChill PrimoFlex PRO LRT i read a good deal of user experiences with the ADVANCED LRT and they tell no plastisizer issues or glouding as of yet some used it for months now.

I really wish i could use the Norprene since i realy like the looks from it but to spare my self frustration i might as well go for PrimoFlex Advanced LRT.

@GliderHR

Yes please post your findings when you tested your Norprene tubing with the compresion fittings i might reserve my purchase for the PrimoFlex Advanced LRT....

Thanks again guys.

 

[GliderHR]

Hi Sniper, here a the newest results from the "Flowerlabs" in Leverkusen.

Tested Tubes:
Tygone R3603 tube PVC 15,9/9,5 mm (3/8"ID) Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Tygon R3603 Schlauch 15,9/9,5mm klar Tygon R3603 Schlauch 15,9/9,5mm (3/8"ID) Clear 59080
Tygon R6012 Norprene tube 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Tygon R6012 Norprene Schlauch 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) - Schwarz Tygon R6012 Norprene Schlauch 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) - Schwarz 59286
Masterclear PCV 16/10 mm (3/8"ID) Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Masterkleer Schlauch 16/10mm klar (3/8"ID) Masterkleer Schlauch PVC 16/10mm (3/8"ID) Clear 59063

Used fiitings:
Koolance compession fittings 16/10
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Koolance 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4" 2er-Paar (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") Koolance 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4" (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 1 Paar 62311
" noname" compession fittings 16/10 mm
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - gerändelt - black nickel 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - gerändelt - black nickel 62384
" noname" compession fittings 16/10 mm
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 black (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - kompakt - black nickel 62202
" noname" compession fittings 16/11 mm
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 15,9/11,1mm & 16/12mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 black nickel (ID 7/16" OD 5/8") 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - kompakt - black nickel 62303
Koolance VL3N 10mm barbed fitting (with or without additional fixing)
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Koolance Schnellverschluss 10mm Tülle (3/8") Kupplung (High Flow) - VL3N Koolance Schnellverschluss 10mm Tülle (3/8") Kupplung (High Flow) - VL3N 65184
(with or without hose clamp)
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Lamptron Inbus Schlauchschelle 16mm (5/8") - Black Lamptron Inbus Schlauchschelle 16mm (5/8") - Black 68227

Experiment:.
I took a piece of tube with unused ends (cut after every test 5 mm of each end of) and fixed them without tools into the compression fittings. Each end another fitting.
Then I screwed the fittings into am Alphacool Connection Terminal to have some grip.
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Alphacool HF Anschlussterminal 5-Fach G1/4 IG - Chrome Alphacool HF Anschlussterminal 5-Fach G1/4 IG - Chrome 64224
Then I tried to pull it apart in front of my breast, I noticed the force and compared each pair twice.

There is a clear result:

Best tube due to stiffness: Masterclear 16/10mm (wall thickness : 3 mm)
Second in ranking: Tygone R3603 tube PVC 15,9/9,5 mm (wall thickness : 3,3 mm)
Last due to softness: Tygon R6012 Norprene tube 15,9/9,6mm (wall thickness : 3,25 mm)
 Your impression was correct
Reason, I suppose, is the compression force which is at stiff tubes the highest.
Even if the Tygon tubes should have thicker walls, this does not affect the grip.

Fittings had also a clear ranking:
Best was the Koolance compession fitting (12 wins  ), closely followed by the no name 16/11 (4 wins), then the Koolance VL3N 10mm barbed fitting with two wins and the no name (Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 black (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - kompakt - black nickel 62202).
The simple no name (Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 silver (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - gerändelt - silber nickel 62177) lost due the simple fitting structure and the limited compression possibility (limited by the edging). Sometimes it released the tube very fast with very small force!

I suppose, that the Koolance Compression fitting was so good since the structure of the socket is sharp and has a high grip into the tube. The 16/11 was so good since the compression was much higher.

Grettings to the "Netherlands"

 

[Sniper101]

Hi Sniper, here a the newest results from the "Flowerlabs" in Leverkusen.

Tested Tubes:
Tygone R3603 tube PVC 15,9/9,5 mm (3/8"ID) Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Tygon R3603 Schlauch 15,9/9,5mm klar Tygon R3603 Schlauch 15,9/9,5mm (3/8"ID) Clear 59080
Tygon R6012 Norprene tube 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Tygon R6012 Norprene Schlauch 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) - Schwarz Tygon R6012 Norprene Schlauch 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) - Schwarz 59286
Masterclear PCV 16/10 mm (3/8"ID) Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Masterkleer Schlauch 16/10mm klar (3/8"ID) Masterkleer Schlauch PVC 16/10mm (3/8"ID) Clear 59063

Used fiitings:
Koolance compession fittings 16/10
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Koolance 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4" 2er-Paar (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") Koolance 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4" (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 1 Paar 62311
" noname" compession fittings 16/10 mm
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - gerändelt - black nickel 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - gerändelt - black nickel 62384
" noname" compession fittings 16/10 mm
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 black (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - kompakt - black nickel 62202
" noname" compession fittings 16/11 mm
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 15,9/11,1mm & 16/12mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 black nickel (ID 7/16" OD 5/8") 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - kompakt - black nickel 62303
Koolance VL3N 10mm barbed fitting (with or without additional fixing)
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Koolance Schnellverschluss 10mm Tülle (3/8") Kupplung (High Flow) - VL3N Koolance Schnellverschluss 10mm Tülle (3/8") Kupplung (High Flow) - VL3N 65184
(with or without hose clamp)
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Lamptron Inbus Schlauchschelle 16mm (5/8") - Black Lamptron Inbus Schlauchschelle 16mm (5/8") - Black 68227

Experiment:.
I took a piece of tube with unused ends (cut after every test 5 mm of each end of) and fixed them without tools into the compression fittings. Each end another fitting.
Then I screwed the fittings into am Alphacool Connection Terminal to have some grip.
Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - Alphacool HF Anschlussterminal 5-Fach G1/4 IG - Chrome Alphacool HF Anschlussterminal 5-Fach G1/4 IG - Chrome 64224
Then I tried to pull it apart in front of my breast, I noticed the force and compared each pair twice.

There is a clear result:

Best tube due to stiffness: Masterclear 16/10mm (wall thickness : 3 mm)
Second in ranking: Tygone R3603 tube PVC 15,9/9,5 mm (wall thickness : 3,3 mm)
Last due to softness: Tygon R6012 Norprene tube 15,9/9,6mm (wall thickness : 3,25 mm)
 Your impression was correct
Reason, I suppose, is the compression force which is at stiff tubes the highest.
Even if the Tygon tubes should have thicker walls, this does not affect the grip.

Fittings had also a clear ranking:
Best was the Koolance compession fitting (12 wins  ), closely followed by the no name 16/11 (4 wins), then the Koolance VL3N 10mm barbed fitting with two wins and the no name (Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 black (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - kompakt - black nickel 62202).
The simple no name (Aquatuning - Der Wasserkühlung Vollsortimenter - 16/10 & 16/11mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 silver (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") 16/10mm Anschraubtülle G1/4 - gerändelt - silber nickel 62177) lost due the simple fitting structure and the limited compression possibility (limited by the edging). Sometimes it released the tube very fast with very small force!

I suppose, that the Koolance Compression fitting was so good since the structure of the socket is sharp and has a high grip into the tube. The 16/11 was so good since the compression was much higher.

Grettings to the "Netherlands"

Great info there man so if i understand correctly you noticed that the Tygon R6012 Norprene comes out fairly easy when "little" force is applied? Just as it was with my impression. And yes the Koolance compression fitting (matt black) only the color is different then from yours. Even tho the Koolance had a better grip then the bitspower compression it was rather easy to pull out with a little bit more force then the bitspower.

Since i have 1 meter of PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT tubing i can tell for 100% its impossible to pull it out from the koolance compression once you tighten the nut. Its also very very hard to put it on the barb UNLESS you heat the tube with hot water. On the Bitspower compression it was also very tight with the PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT both putting the tube on the barb and its holding capacity when you try to pull it out. It lacks with the tygon R6012 norprene i could fairly easy pull it out with both the Koolance (a little bit harder to pull out then the bitspower) and bitspower.

I read somewhere that after some time the tygon norprene will increase its grip on the barb, but to play it save il just go with the PrimoFlex Advanced LRT.
Just in case i used these fittings:

Aquatuning - De waterkoeling specialist - Koolance 16/10mm (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") Anschraubtülle gerade - Black Koolance 16/10mm (ID 3/8" OD 5/8") Anschraubtülle gerade - Black 62415

10MM (3/8 ID - 5/8 OD) Bitspower Schroeffitting Paar - G1/4 (2 stuks) Matt Black BP-MBCPFD-CC3

And the tubing:

Aquatuning - De waterkoeling specialist - Tygon R6012 Norprene Schlauch 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) - Schwarz Tygon R6012 Norprene Schlauch 15,9/9,6mm (3/8"ID) - Schwarz 59286

TUBE PrimoChill PrimoFlex

Thanks for your testing im now letting go of the Norprene tubing and go with the ADVANCED LRT tubing.

I wish the Koolance compression fitting had a ticker O-ring (there is a limit to how tight you can screw the barb in he thread) then that fitting would be my first choice.