[Sammelthread] Ryzen RAM OC + mögliche Limitierungen

[Mortikei]

Abend schön in die Runde,

Ich habe in TM5 extrem A77 immer im Test 2 einen Fehler beim 2 ten oder 3 ten oder im 4 Run.
Ich habe schon mit der Spannung vom RAM gespielt aber das hat nicht den gewünschten Erfolg gebracht.

Habt ihr eine Idee was ich änder muss um den Fehler weg zu bekommen.
Vielen Dank, schönen Abend noch.

 

[Tatilica]

Yup, will do native 2000 FCLK strap, and pure 1T Gear off, step by step, better I enjoy my left day off with family now and stick with IF2000 bclk included, testing in progress, wish me luck, thx much

Update: guess just found a way to 4000IF2000 & pure Gear 1T Wheas free in late evening💪
Got rid of BCLK as you suggested, over 2 hours gaming Wheas gone, your input Aida write speed 31999 shows up indeed and my first 60k read too🎆

 

[unifyx]

@Veii

so I enabled the DPM and disabled the link enhancement for gen 4 pcie and everything is stable. so no fluctuations in fclk and DPM, it is just going up and down from 301 to 592.5
still getting whea ID19 and ID20 but system is stable.

what should I do next???

I saw you writing something about GMI and xGMI. what is it for and do I need to set there something? 🤔

 

[ApolloX]

@Mortikei
Kennst du den hier? Vielleicht nützts was.

1usmus Error Diagnosis

docs.google.com

 

[Tatilica]

Hey @Veii told ya trying IF2000 which I did running Wheas free, but just in gaming only, not for daily app, pls reconsider for me my best 102.25 bclk NEW Profile PBO 100/75/70 Wheas free which rocks for daily & gaming, full setup screen settings attached may help Luxxers👍
Happy Ester for me here, time to celebrate indeed 🎆
EDIT: checked short gaming session early this morning, Wheas gone, my 2 best Effective clock speeds still there, so my 150fps 1440p indeed MP5 36 can't do believe so much wasted power running in vain from default cpu setup in gaming scenario

 

[ApolloX]

@Tatilica
I'm curious, what happens if you run TM5 with extreme1@anta or the absolute regarding WHEAs?
You remember, in my example, the default@1usmus was just too light to trigger WHEAs.

 

[unifyx]

@Tatilica

I see you running the 1p8 voltage really high on an MSI motherboard, risking to burn your BIOS-chip. As @Veii said, it's safe up to 1.88v... higher than that will kill your board in the long run...

don't know, if it's worth it...

other than that, looks great

 

[Tatilica]

@Tatilica
I'm curious, what happens if you run TM5 with extreme1@anta or the absolute regarding WHEAs?
You remember, in my example, the default@1usmus was just too light to trigger WHEAs.

Hi enthusiast, not interested to run anything than gaming wheas free, already found cutted PBO Limits won't hurt gaming performance only, happy me, maybe I'll check someday later tests, but not this days Happy Easter in here for me, cheers

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@Tatilica

I see you running the 1p8 voltage really high on an MSI motherboard, risking to burn your BIOS-chip. As @Veii said, it's safe up to 1.88v... higher than that will kill your board in the long run...

don't know, if it's worth it...

other than that, looks great

Hi thx, indeed all setup build run great now, idk about Vdd18 rail, will never known, better enjoy OC days AM4, life is short, pls "don't do this at home"

 

[unifyx]

@Tatilica

happy Easter, for me is Easter as well!

🥳

 

[ApolloX]

not interested to run anything than gaming wheas free

I saw your two CP77 screenshots frequently, so you play this one. When I payed CP77 about two weeks ago, I saw few WHEAs with my IF2000 setting, which didn't show WHEAs with testing TM5 @default, while extreme1 or absolute triggered WHEAs. Thus, for my system I declared default@1usmus is no appropriate WHEA test, not even for gaming - for me. That's the reason why I'm asking.

 

[ApolloX]

Und hier mal was wildes... aber das war weder WHEA- noch frei von sonstigen Fehlern. Immerhin bootet die Mühle bis IF2100.

 

[Lic]

Hi all, happy to read this forum and happy to meet you all.
I'm the one (on OCN) that Tatilica mentioned time ago. I run (10 months, perhaps, with a change of CPU, damaged 6-7 months ago, but same 2000 IF without WHEA-19) my Viper Black at 4000 MHz CAS16. Infintity Fabric at 2000 MHz.
This is the screenshot of actual settings. Any game I play is without whea (actually: Fallout76, CP2077, FarCry 6, Hogwarts, Doom Enternal, TW3, Deus Ex Mankind, Marvel's Guardians, WOT...).
I have whea-19 with ANTA profile on TM5 but not with 1usmus:

I read the last 30 pages, so I disabled LCLK DPM... nothing to do, whea with anta profile.
Suggestions? I'm playing everyday with CCD and IOD voltages, but at today the minimum I've obtained is 17 wheas during y-cruncher benchmate P 2.5 billions.
Perhaps I was lucky to found this sweet spot.

Ah, in any case, I've also a 3800c15 profile stable whea-free, but really I've registerd a 50 hours session (2 day, saturday and sunday, playing and surfing only) and no one single whea.
I'm living with this happily!

Note: Hi! @Veii Do you remember me? ArchEnemy? Here: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_run.php?q=c2ffc9ef8eefd2e3d4e2d4ecdafc8eb383a5c0a598a88efdc0f0
This time I can't do the 101 overclock, stable.

 

[ApolloX]

@Lic
I made exactly the same experience. I can tune my system for IF2000 (as you already saw on the last pages) and get it WHEA-free when testing it with the default@1usmus settings in TM5. However, when I use the extreme or absolute both @anta777, then I see WHEAs. Conclusion: the default to too default

Now about 99% of people here would recommend then to go back to IF1900 and be sure toe face no WHEAs at all. And there is 1% which rather recommends to invest much time to continue trying the WHEA-free IF2000. I can't or don't want to say this path is wright or wrong, but for me it's a matter of time and effort.
What I will not do is to keep my IF2000 setting which produces WHEAs under heavy load, and otherwise not. Because under light loads I don't need the 4000 RAM. And under high loads, where it could make a difference it doesn't, because it's then not WHEA-free.

 

[Tatilica]

Hi all, happy to read this forum and happy to meet you all.
I'm the one (on OCN) that Tatilica mentioned time ago. I run (10 months, perhaps, with a change of CPU, damaged 6-7 months ago, but same 2000 IF without WHEA-19) my Viper Black at 4000 MHz CAS16. Infintity Fabric at 2000 MHz.
This is the screenshot of actual settings. Any game I play is without whea (actually: Fallout76, CP2077, FarCry 6, Hogwarts, Doom Enternal, TW3, Deus Ex Mankind, Marvel's Guardians, WOT...).
I have whea-19 with ANTA profile on TM5 but not with 1usmus:

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I read the last 30 pages, so I disabled LCLK DPM... nothing to do, whea with anta profile.
Suggestions? I'm playing everyday with CCD and IOD voltages, but at today the minimum I've obtained is 17 wheas during y-cruncher benchmate P 2.5 billions.
Perhaps I was lucky to found this sweet spot.

Ah, in any case, I've also a 3800c15 profile stable whea-free, but really I've registerd a 50 hours session (2 day, saturday and sunday, playing and surfing only) and no one single whea.
I'm living with this happily!

Note: Hi! @Veii Do you remember me? ArchEnemy? Here: https://ranker.sisoftware.co.uk/show_run.php?q=c2ffc9ef8eefd2e3d4e2d4ecdafc8eb383a5c0a598a88efdc0f0
This time I can't do the 101 overclock, stable.

Hi, yeah mentioned you cause we like to keep clean Luxxe thread here, with real results in progress, hope to find stability & wheas free in all scenarios hard workload Apps & Gaming and but just not living happily in games only🎆
WHEAs-free means nothing just in games, you can suppress them with eas by Mannix Supressor of reporting in OS, but only testing in apps can quickly expose data fabric instability.
Your single 1usmus #4 error posted today in OCN, also 17wheas in only 1min30sec cruncher Benchmate 2.5b means lot IF instability to me, guess about how many more you can found in 50cycles VST3 and so be aware HWinfo can easily lie in wheas report during TM5, don't forget to keep open Event in Verbose checked by Kernel Wheas Range Time next run👍

And about your OCN posted TM5 run wheas free, hmmm

Please work harder if you want clean IF2000, is not just about luck or only but just in games wheas free, there are a lot of reduction PBO to be made, and voltages to keep up in combo indeed, cause you are running pretty much high PBO & Limits PPT 104(73%) EDC 123(88%) and also questionable low-voltages in combo for cpu to be wheas free at IF2000, looks like any hungriest sample X3D default

Here are my Bios settings🔝 3952(102.25) may help
EDIT: surely can't pass Extreme1 or Absolut neither, not even need to try, as all these settings means nothing but researches looking for stability, good enough for my daily app & gaming Profile 😜
Like @ApolloX conclusion default to too default, better stick with your stable tested lower Profile👍

 

[DMHas]

Hallo zusammen,

vielleicht könnt ihr mir weiterhelfen. Ich hat schon in einen anderen Thread geschrieben.
Ich zitiere der Einfachheit halber mich mal selbst.

ich habe das Problem, dass der Lesewert im Vergleich zur Ram-Schreibrate relativ schlecht ist. Dabei ist es egal ob ich:

• EXPO- oder Standard-Profil nutze
• 4800 MHz, 5600 MHz oder 6000MHz einstelle
• unter Kernisolierung die Speicher-Integrität aktiviere oder deaktiviere.
• UEFI zurückgesetzt
• verschieden UEFI / AGESA.Versionen getestet.

Es bleibt immer eine Differenz von rund 30% zwischen beiden Werten. Hat jemand noch eine Idee, was ich probieren könnte?

Ich danke Euch!

Grüße DMHas.

 

[RedF]

Hallo zusammen,

vielleicht könnt ihr mir weiterhelfen. Ich hat schon in einen anderen Thread geschrieben.
Ich zitiere der Einfachheit halber mich mal selbst.


Ich danke Euch!

Grüße DMHas.

Du hast eine CPU mit einem CCD, das muss so.

Nur die CPUs mit 2CCDs ( 7900x, 7950x)haben beim lesen die volle Bandbreite.

 

[Bread]

Faszinierend, das ist bei Ryzen 7000 andersrum? Bei 5000 war ja Schreiben deutlich weniger mit 1 CCD. Warum ist das so?
Ich hab

 

[Veii]

Hallo zusammen,

vielleicht könnt ihr mir weiterhelfen. Ich hat schon in einen anderen Thread geschrieben.
Ich zitiere der Einfachheit halber mich mal selbst.


Ich danke Euch!

Grüße DMHas.

Multi Stage design
Schon auch bei AM4, jedoch ohne dass die APU es interleaven darf (nur teils, BGS & BGS-Alt)
Einerseits dank dem DDR5 design (nicht vergleichbar mit DDR4), andererseits durch die multi-state IP Blöcke.

Writes dürfen dank den dual 32 bit links (bzw 64bit) von der CPU jederzeit geschehen.
Jederzeit mit ausnahmen.
Aber man wird dir im DDR4 Thread wenig helfen können, da auch DDR4 und DDR5 nichts miteinander zu tun haben.

DDR5 ist ein "standalone ecosystem".
Es kommuniziert viel über den i²c Bus, wie deine GPU über den PCI Link.
RedF erklärt es korrekt.

Dual CCDs haben eine höhere Bitweite von dem DRAM zum SDRAM (Cache)
Da Copy aus Read & Write besteht, leidet Copy ebenfalls darunter.
Writes gehen von der CPU aus, und dieser Link ist identisch, abseits der SKU.
Man kann diesen durch die CPU interleaven oder durch die APU, was besonders in Gear1 ein großer Vorteil ist.

Allerdings bezieht sich die Sorge auf AMD, nicht die Konsumenten.
Aka ~ "sie wissen schon was sie machen"
Bei Intel ist das Ergebniss minimal anders, jedoch die Writes Art bzw das Ansprechen recht ähnlich.

EDIT:
Cache pro Kern und MemBandbreite pro Kern , spielen eine Rolle

 

[Lic]

@ApolloX Thx!
Surely I'm in your 1%, and not only, I'm everyday searching to learn something about this problem (for me and my pc).
My investigation put attention in something related to PCI-EX and power states.
As example I've some whea-19 surely related to the monitor sleep state, consequently to VGA power states == PCI-EX power states and => (probably, this is my search) IF IOD voltages related.
I've found that with a specific power profile as "AMD Ryzen Ultimate HighPower 11-v4" in my system I've reduced sensibly whea-19.

As conclusion, your 1% is a very large number, I think we are few if any.

 

[Tatilica]

@Lic
I can tune my system for IF2000 and get it WHEA-free when testing it with the default@1usmus settings in TM5.

However, when I use the extreme or absolute both @anta777, then I see WHEAs.

Now about 99% of people here would recommend then to go back to IF1900 and be sure to face no WHEAs at all.

Hi guys, I'll stick all-in for 103.5 bclk in 99%League in here comparison😜

 

[ApolloX]

103,5 isn't too bad

IF1897 screenshot: yes, I think, this is the way.
IF1900 screenshot: The HWinfo timer doesn't cover the full test duration of TM5. So in theory it could have missed a WHEA - but with IF1900 I have no indication to expact any.

And as you like to mention my 99% vs 1% statement: I accepted that my sample won't do WHEA-free IF2000 and I'll focus on other topics.

 

[Tatilica]

103,5 isn't too bad

IF1897 screenshot: yes, I think, this is the way.
IF1900 screenshot: The HWinfo timer doesn't cover the full test duration of TM5. So in theory it could have missed a WHEA - but with IF1900 I have no indication to expact any.

And as you like to mention my 99% vs 1% statement: I accepted that my sample won't do WHEA-free IF2000 and I'll focus on other topics.

Yeah, I know about HW IF1900 surely I can't get wheas <3800, but not interested with anymore loosing my 4,7ghz & all cores 4,6 effective clocks in games, in same bandwidth and 'ns scenario 1440p 🔝
Don't worry be happy, you are not alone, and it's not about your sample, cause I insist to mention, IF2000 hard workload, intensive app & demanding games wheas free for 58X3D, don't exist on Earth 😇

 

[Lic]

Demanding games?!? But CP2077 isn't hard enough to push whea's on my system. Do you know others game that are really CPU intensive? Or where you have whea when playing?

 

[Tatilica]

Demanding games?!? But CP2077 isn't hard enough to push whea's on my system. Do you know others game that are really CPU intensive? Or where you have whea when playing?

This reply was an example, your unique Gaming little Martian setup IF2000 Gaming only wheas free, not included, you miss the whole phrase meaning:
"IF2000 hard workload, intensive app & demanding games wheas free for 58X3D, don't exist on Earth"

 

[Lic]

Beitrag automatisch zusammengeführt: 11.05.2024

I've stop to test my system. Only normal use (word, excel, pictures, videos, net, play games) to have weeks of no whea in Event Viewer.
A BIG, BIG, THANKS YOU @Veii.
So many information in your posts here. I'm reading and learning. Much appreciated! A big thanks also to all the Contributors here.

 

[Tatilica]

Much appreciated! A big thanks also to all the Contributors here.

Thx and appreciate too, all thx to Luxxers handy helps in researching IF2000, with big help of our master Jedi @Veii indeed, keep in mind nothing will work IF2000 fully wheas free on 58X3D, than PBO Limit reduction 100/75/60 only, tested and retested in last 3 months daily diff. scenario TM5, Gear, Curve, Offset, Vdimm, bclk & voltages in combo 🤕

I found stable TM5 only IF2000 C14 gearON 101.75 bclk with cutted PBO which I can run daily & gaming wheas free 12h long-gaming session, just to realize I don't needed, as lons as is not fully tested stable in much harder mem testing loads like Absolut, Extreme1@anta or cruncher FFT, N64, VT3, looks more like an instability Profile to be kept

So, long story short version, I decided to stick better with a real stable Profile IF1900 103,5 bclk included, fully clear Wheas free for daily & gaming
PBO Limits=Disabled CPU Offset-0.0375 CO-18 All 👍
Extreme1@anta

default@1usmus

Y-cruncher FFT-N64-VT3-Pi 2.5b

 

[Veii]

@Tatilica the only thing i really dislike, is:

Trusting online is difficult, especially when you are such minority with the result.
Nearly the only one with it.

Why do you have a scheduled event-view cleaner running ?
Or why do you disable Event Viewer service.

I've read people recommend and suggest this, some tweakers
But please dont do that.
Nobody can tell you are actually WHEA free, when you keep on cleaning them
They dont cause spikes. They dont cause stutter when it runs in Verbose mode.

Keep it on verbose mode and stop cleaning them please.
Even if good minded, it paints like you are messing with us.


EDIT:
I still wait from you to check WHEA #5, how many sensors are for your SKU and Bios active.
Can't work like this with cleaned logs.

 

[Tatilica]

@Tatilica the only thing i really dislike, is:
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Trusting online is difficult, especially when you are such minority with the result.

Why do you have a scheduled event-view cleaner running ?
Or why do you disable Event Viewer service.

I've read people recommend and suggest this, some tweakers
But please dont do that.
Nobody can tell you are actually WHEA free, when you keep on cleaning them
They dont cause spikes. They dont cause stutter when it runs in Verbose mode.

Keep it on verbose mode and stop cleaning them please.
Even if good minded, it paints like you are messing with us.


EDIT:
I still wait from you to check WHEA #5, how many sensors are for your SKU and Bios active.
Can't work like this with cleaned logs.

No no chill out, they are still there, as you predicted, every boot 10 of them, don't worry, just I clean those #5 & #42 every time before TM5 run, hate to see them every time, wheas service is there 🙏
After passed well with GearON 3933 CL14 +101.75 bclk, I'am dealing now to fix GearOFF back C15, no luck couple dozens run by now, still wheas free but got #14 #4 errors in mirror all the time, no matter what, pls need your magic?

 

[Veii]

9x 42 & 1x 5 ?
I want to know what #5 says

hate to see them every time, wheas service is there 🙏

But they don't bother.
Thats the reason you run verbose.
To log all.

#4 error

DIMM PCB overcurrent, most of the time.

56-0-0
55 to 62
Others at 0-0
Or all the same duration delayed (56-56-56)

Yet first, 2T GDM Off

 

[Tatilica]

9x 42 & 1x 5 ?
I want to know what #5 says

But they don't bother.
Thats the reason you run verbose.
To log all.


DIMM PCB overcurrent, most of the time.
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56-0-0
55 to 62
Others at 0-0
Or all the same duration delayed (56-56-56)

Yet first, 2T GDM Off

Sure, got 10 pieces Kernel eachtime after boot 9x 42 & 1x 5 here screen after boot, right now second run TM5 your tip 56-0-0 included, added +0,10mv to ccd & iod, also RDWR & RDDD/WRDD +1 .... testing in progress, best shoot IF2000 so far GearOFF, needed your magic touch, wish me luck 🤓