[Sammelthread] Dota 2 [Free To Play]

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Man nennt mich auch Mr.Ward :d.
 
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Ja könnt mich auch adden: buxxdehude

Man nennt mich auch Mr.Ward :d.
Du scheinst ja nett zu sein. Aber ich brauche keinen der mir meine Supp Posi streitig macht! :d
Natürlich ist es immer etwas undankbar, aber schon cool, dass im Pub fast keiner Supp spielt.
Man ist die Bitch für alles, aber hat eigentlich immer einen Platz im Team.
 
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Good to know!

supp fist.jpg

:d

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Ich hab gerade erst gesehen, dass das ziemlich behaarte Arme sind...
Aber naja, ist halt Winter. Da lassen sich die Mädels etwas gehen.
 
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Für zu hören das es noch mehr Supports im Pub gib, übernehme die Rolle auch öfter, wo noch schlechter oder gar kein support noch mehr aufregt.
Finde auch gefallen daran, besonders wenn man es auch mal gedankt bekommt.
Vllt kann ich ja von euch noch etwas über die Rolle lernen.
Steam: Matix321
 
Dachte die Anderen, aber alle fehlgeschlagene Verbindung (habe ich jetzt erst gesehen, sorry).. könnte doch buggy sein :d
Game ist halt noch in der Beta :P
 
Hab dota2 heute installiert aber ganz ehrlich? Ich wusste nicht wie ich anfangen kann zu spielen. Gibt es ein x-treame noob guide? Konnte nur diverse Sachen kaufen aber wie ich spielen kann fehlanzeige...
 
es gibt nen tutorial mit einzelnen missionen, in denen das spielprinzip und einige grundmechaniken erläutert werden
ansonsten hab ich damit einen guten einstieg gefunden: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE8BF94DE8B878FF0

Purge ist zwar nicht der beste Spieler aus der Pro Szene, aber mitunter einer der wenigen der sich die Mühe macht Spiele für Anfänger zu kommentieren und auch banale Dinge zu erklären.
Alternativ einfach mal Pro Matches anschauen - da lernt man auch einiges was Taktiken angeht. Und um bisschen im Wiki oder ausführliche Guides lesen kommt man selten rum mMn, zB hier:
http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guides

Die guten Guides gehen da teilweise sehr in die Tiefe.
 
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also pro matches taugen nun wirklich überhaupt nicht um sich dota basics anzueignen^^
 
Nach meinen ersten 30-40 Matches hab ich angefangen Replays von Pro Games runterzuladen, hab mir einen Spieler ausgesucht und dann seine Spielweise/Entscheidungen analysiert. Wenn man ein bisschen mitdenkt, begreift man recht flott das Grundprinzip dahinter. Da werden unter anderem drei grundlegende Dinge ständig vermittelt: Zeitmanagement, Kreativität und Flexibilität bzgl der Spielweise (Skill- und Itembuilds) eines Helden.

Die Replays eignen sich dafür perfekt. Man kann pausieren um die Tooltips zu lesen oder schnell im Wiki was nachschlagen, wenn man eine Entscheidung nicht nachvollziehen kann. Und vor allem sieht man in der Regel auch wie etwas richtig gemacht wird und kommt so nicht auf die Idee sich irgendwelche unvorteilhaften Spielweisen anzueignen die man irgendwo im Pub gesehen hat. Dabei werden einige Basics abgedeckt: ward spots, camp pulls, camp stacking, ganking, harass, sowie weitere grundlegende taktische Spielzüge. Nebenbei wird einem noch die Bedeutung verschiedener Rollen/Helden nahe gebracht und man begreift von Anfang an die Relevanz von TPs, Smoke, Dust und Wards. Dazu etliche Graphen mit Progression und Stats, die grade bzgl Effektivität auf jeden Fall als Inspiration dienen können.

Dota ist auf jeden Fall ein Spiel, bei dem man sich durchaus etwas Zeit nehmen sollte mit der Einarbeitung und es mMn durchaus sinnvoll ist sich recht früh mit der Pro Szene auseinander zu setzen - sofern man gewillt ist etwas zu lernen und seine eigene Spielweise zu optimieren. Es ist nämlich umso aufwändiger wenn man sich irgend einen Blödsinn angewöhnt hat und danach versucht das wieder abzustellen.

Wenn man dagegen einfach nur wild rumklicken und hier und da tolle KDA stats haben will, braucht man sich nix anschauen. Da kann man dann auch einfach auf "Suchen" drücken und irgendwelche ingame item builds ohne Sinn und Verstand nutzen.
 
Es bringt aber eben auch überhaupt gar nichts wenn er versucht irgendwelche professionellen Spielweisen zu spielen ohne überhaupt die basics des spiels zu kennen.
 
Der Einstieg ist schwer besonders wenn man regelmäßig schlechte Mates bekommt, am besten mal Guides von Dotafire anschauen, paar Streams gucken und dann mal paar Heros ausprobieren, vielleicht die Hero Challenge machen das dauert zwar aber dann hat man jeden Hero mal gespielt und kennt die Skills. Für ganz einfache Basics das Tutorial spielen.
 
Da man als Anfänger selber schlecht ist, ist es auch nur logisch schlechte teammates zu bekommen.
 
Also ich finds tatsächlich cool, Anfängern das Spiel näher zu bringen, so lange sie sich auch damit auseinander setzen wollen. Bin bestimmt kein Profi, aber ich mags, Leuten etwas zu erklären was sie noch nicht wissen...

Auch als Anfäger ging der Knoten bei mir erst dann richtig auf, als mich ein Kollege mal 1-2 Stunden 1:1 gecoacht hat über TS - danach kann man auch von alleine wieder lernen.
 
@Slezer

Etwas älter, aber vom Prinzip her nach wie vor hilfreich:
Dota 2: Guide to Spending Your Gold
Dota 2: Ultimate Guide to Warding
(alte Map, aber so wirklich viel hat sich nicht geändert. Einfach auf die neue Map übertragen. Im Idealfall selbst kreativ sein)
Hier noch eine interkative Map für Spielereien: Dota 2 Interactive Map 2

Wenn man weitere Fragen hat: https://www.reddit.com/r/learndota2/


Es bringt aber eben auch überhaupt gar nichts wenn er versucht irgendwelche professionellen Spielweisen zu spielen ohne überhaupt die basics des spiels zu kennen.
Deswegen hab ich ihm ja nicht nur empfohlen pro games zu schauen, sondern auch Links gepostet, sowie den Hinweis auf Tutorials. Damit ist die gesamte Bandbreite abgedeckt von gemütlicher Anfänger bis schneller Lerntyp.

Anstatt zu meckern könntest du auch einfach selber Vorschläge machen, wie er sich die Basics aneignen kann.
 
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Ich mecker überhaupt nicht ;) ich würde vorschlagen nen paar andere Anfänger zusammen zu trommeln und dann gemeinsam mit skype /TS gegen bots zu spielen. Natürlich sollte auch wenigstens ein Spieler dabei sein der schon etwas besser ist, damit man auch war lernen kann.
 
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Wäre ich sofort dabei. Teamspeak kann ich auch stellen... Also wer Lust hat; melden (PN / Steam in Signatur)
 
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Da ich aktuell immer Interviews bei PCGH in den Dota-Thread haue, hier auch noch mal:

Gosugamers.net Interview mit DKPhobos vom Team Asus.Polar (von letzter Woche):
Hey Phobos, thanks for joining us in this interview. The Asia Championships are going on, are you following it closely? Are there any surprises for you so far?
Hi, not really. I just watch occasionally when Na`VI are playing so I can't talk about suprises at the moment.

Ah okay - who's your favorite for the overall tournament?
At the moment it's probably Na'Vi, Team Secret and Vici Gaming.

Your team sadly didn't qualify for the event. In general, you guys have had a lot of ups and downs so far. What do you think is the issue?
Well, we played around 8 or 9 games on the last day of D2L and 4 hours aftwards we should have gone to the airport. After finishing our matches in Las Vegas for D2L Season 5 we had really bad tickets and my trip home took somewhere between 40-45 hours. And 8-10 hours after getting home we had to play the DAC qualifiers...

Yeah that was definitely a hectic time - are you sorta happy that you guys don't play in DAC and have a bit more time off?
[Laughs] Kinda yes. But we really wanted to go.

Oh yeah for sure. Coming back to you, you only returned to the competitive scene a few months ago - you worked with Na'Vi before that, what did you do for Na'Vi?
I was hired as a programmer and developed Read - Natus Vincere Website and some other stuff for them.

Oh cool! Do you still do it or are you only focused on pro gaming at the moment?
Unfortunately I have no time for programming at the moment.

How much time do you spend playing/practicing Dota 2 per day?
We practice somewhere between 2-8 hours a day.

Why did you decide to come back to professional Dota? When did you decide to do so?
I decided to come back to the competitive scene in March 2014 so i have time to train for The International. Why? Because it's something I've wanted to try and I wanted to see how it would go.

And how did NVMI come together? Whose idea was it?
The idea was devised by Goblak and myself. We wanted to play together so we started searching for players to complete the roster. We found Illidan for the carry role and brought in two young talents Lil and Afoninje for the support and mid roles.

Shortly after you guys came together, you also won the GameShow League LAN finals against Na'Vi - did you expect to do so well so soon?
No, we didn't expect this at all. It was really huge morale boost for for the team.

Sadly though, Goblak left the team and joined Na'Vi - how did you handle this? And did you immediately think of fng as a replacement?
Well, fng was the only one variant who could save us. Thank god he agreed!

Did you immediately accept him as a captain?
Yes!

Coming back to you, you were playing both offlane and midlane, primarily midlane now. Which role do you prefer?
Well I really don't care. I like to play different roles, so one day it could be mid, another it could be the offlane. Or both!

Do you think you play differently on each role or would you say you play the same?
Sure, I play differently. I find it very helpful to understand how each core hero works.

What are your favorite heroes? Is there maybe a hero you want to play more often but can't because he doesn't work in the current meta?
My favourite heroes are spread between the two roles. At the moment I really like Ember Spirit, Zeus, Centaur Warrunner, Brewmaster, Puck and Batrider. I really like Timbersaw but unfortunately he doesn't work in the current meta.

True, sadly. You and Dendi have been friends for a long time, do you think you two could ever play in a team together?
I hope so. [smiles]

The Western scene has just seen a few roster changes, but the CIS teams haven't changed yet. Do you think that changes will still come? Will Asus.Polar stick together?
At the moment I couldn't say. We will see after DAC.

Okay, let's hope everything stays the same, as a lot of CIS teams are doing really well - what do you think of Hellraisers?
With Hellraisers I don't think they have really strong players in the team, but they combine well as a team and have very good strategies.

And Power Rangers? They didn't perform too well yesterday.
I think they play well against SNG (CIS) teams because they are prepared for our strategies and gameplay. But against the other teams... You can see by their results.

Anyway, you guys have played in a lot of tournaments lately. Some say there are too many tournaments going on. Do you agree? Would you prefer playing less officials?
Yes, it is very difficult to play so many games, we are tired. Sometimes you can play up to 5-8 games against one team in a week. It isn't interesting at all. And you have no time to prepare for the games.

Yeah it really is a bad situation... Anyway, you guys are changing your name to Asus.Polar - let's be honest here, do you miss the name NVMI?
Yes, I liked NVMI. Goblak proposed the name when we formed the team. The full name Nam Vezet - Mi Igraem (Нам везет - мы играем) means 'We are lucky - we are playing'. Something like that.

Nice. So, how long do you think you could play competitively? You said before that you wanted to play in TI5 - will a bad performance there mean that you quit?
No, I want to play for a minimum of 2-3 years. [smiles]

Good! Thank you for the interview man, any shoutouts?
Thank you too! Thanks to all who support us, we will try to do our best!

Xcalibur Interview:

Would you mind introducing yourself before we start?
Hi, my name is Steve Ye, I’m a 17-year old chinese kid that’s grown up in Sweden. My in-game handle is XCalibur and I began playing Dota 2 after the second iteration of The International.


If we look a little closer on when you got involved in the professional scene, it is obvious that we first look at when you became the stand-in for fnatic during the summer of 2014. The story goes that they simply reach out to you due to topping the european MMR leaderboard and take you to The Summit. Was this all that was to your recruitment, and had you had any ambitions to compe-te earlier before they reached out?
I had always wanted to compete in Dota even before fnatic reached out to me, but I’d never really taken it beyond local tournaments until then. The difference between playing with fnatic and with friends was also massive, even though we always played captain’s mode and picked heroes with a plan in mind we always ended up playing it like a pub game more than anything else. Given that, I found it very hard to actually break out into the higher tier of competitive Dota, and it wasn’t really until Johan “BigDaddyn0tail” Sundstein got me in to fnatic that I got to experience playing against Tier 1 teams.

Playing against such good opponents, and then also simply playing with a real team for the first time taught me so much, they viewed the game so differently and really played off eachother to try and win. It was the first real time it felt as if I played with an actual team in Dota.


What was the environment like when you first joined? Many eyes were already glaring at you given that you’d be playing with one of the most popular rosters around. Did this ever put you off or make you nervous?

I never actually felt that much pressure. Mostly because I thought I was only going to fill in for Adrian “Era” Kryzeiu when we travelled to The Summit, and therefore I just wanted to see how well I could perform against really good players. But of course a part of me wanted to win it as well, but in all honesty the only part about it I felt slightly nervous about was that it was my first time playing at a LAN. Those jitters disappeared instantly after the game versus DK though.


Like you mentioned, your debut on LAN was an epic victory against DK at The Summit. Did the weight of just that performance actually sink in to begin with?
I think it’s the best feeling I’ve ever felt to be honest, and I was in a state of shock afterwards. There’s a video out there after we won where BigDaddy and Trixi went nuts and started hugging eachother, but I think I was honestly happier than both of them but I just couldn’t express it due to the shock. I legitimately couldn’t comprehend that we’d managed to actually beat a team like DK, it took a lot of time to digest fully.

Even though your journey at The Summit didn’t go much further than the groupstage, were you all happy with your performance?

It was disappointing since our start to the tournament went so well. We were extremely pleased with our performance in the groupstage, but I think our run really could’ve gone much better if DK hadn’t chosen to play us in the upper bracket as we had to play EG in the loser’s bracket following that se-ries.


Your own play was very often centered around Tinker and Meepo, and was often seen as a “one trick pony” type of player. How do you view this assertion of yourself as a player?
I played those heroes the most because those were the heroes we had the easiest time winning with. I know how to play others as well, but since we played competitively we would always go for a favored strategy that would let us win, so the rest of the team shaped our play around me.


Tinker and Meepo are considered two of the most mechanically demanding characters in the game. Was this why you enjoyed playing them?
I don’t think you could say that necessarily, I think it was more that I saw a ton of potential in them. When I played them I felt like I made a ton of mistakes yet I was still able to perform on them. So it pushed me to play them more and try and perfect my own playstyle on them.


When it became clear that Era would be playing together with fnatic at The International 4, how did you react?
I didn’t really have a reaction as I felt Era deserved it since I’d only played with fnatic during the time after the invites had gone out anyway. Of course I wished I could’ve played at TI, but I never felt “che-ated” out of it as Era really did deserve to play.


Do you think fnatic would’ve performed better if you had been part of the TI-roster?
I’d like to think so. That’s not to say that I think I’m a better player than Era, but more that I had spent a month playing with the team prior to TI and we’d started to develop a specific playstyle tailored to us at that point in time, which combined with the fact that Era hadn’t played together with them for close to a month and was the main cause for the team not performing well.

Era’s the way more experienced player however in comparison to me, so I think if all the problems weren’t present they would’ve gone far.


With that, your journey in fnatic ended. Would you call it a bitter ending given the situation that predicated it?
Absolutely not, I could’ve only dreamt of having a summer as amazing as last year’s. Before any of these things were set in motion I was expecting to be sitting at home playing pubs all summer, and even after fnatic contacted me I thought they’d only want me to play for them at The Summit, but they brought me along to all of their tournaments during the summer months which was amazing.


After the massive western shuffle took place, you initially appeared on the first iteration of Team Tinker. Your time in the team seemed to be cut very short however, what was this due to?
I really wanted to keep on competing but the rest of the team weren’t all too sold on having me be part of the fold and eventually there was only SingSing that wanted to keep on playing with me, which is something I am extremely thankful for. But since the majority of the team thought they could per-form better with someone else in my stead I was replaced, which actually really brought me down. I lost almost all of my motivation which lead to me taking a rather long break from Dota, which I really regret now looking back.


Were you personally convinced that the idea behind a superteam like Team Tinker initially was could work well in practice?
I enjoyed the thought behind it and also respected every single player involved in the initiative. Unfor-tunately it really didn’t pan out to be all that great in the end.


Did you keep in touch with pro-players following your time with fnatic and Team Tinker and did you actively attempt to keep playing Dota professionally?
I still keep in touch with pros, but it’s mostly the fnatic guys and the ones who approached me at events. But we don’t talk about joining teams or anything like that, it’s mostly Dota-talk.


At the moment of writing this your last professional team was MeePwn’d, who are currently con-tinuing without you. Has this detered you from continuing try and continue playing professionally?
I am going to keep trying to make Dota 2 my chosen career-path and I’m hoping I can join another team as soon as possible, though right now the market seems a bit scarce. I’ll keep playing as much as I possibly can so I can show a strong performance whenever I return to the competitive scene. The pause I took after being benched from Team Tinker also affected my performance in MeePwn’d and I really didn’t perform up to the level that’s expected of a pro. I’ve learnt my lesson and will keep on practicing so when the day comes and I play in a team, I’ll be in peak form.


Any final words?
Thank you for the interview. I would also like to thank all my fans who have always supported me, it means so much that people even remember me and I feel extremely motivated once again, and won’t disappoint when I return.

ArsZeeqq Interview (Vega Squadron Captain)
Thanks very much for taking the time to talk with us! Please tell us a little about yourself and what stirred your interest in playing DOTA 2 professionally.
My name is Arseniy Usov, I’m from Ulianovsk, Russia and I play the captain/support role in Vega Squadron. I’ve been in touch with Dota2 since an early age. When I came home from classes, I would go play some dota allstars matches on local bnet servers. Ever since then, I’ve never stopped playing.


You’ve already won three online tournaments this year, including your victory over HellRaisers for the Gigabyte Challenge #12. On top of that, you’ve taken games away from NIP – one of the most successful rising European teams. Do you believe your win over HellRaisers came down to your drafts? Or were there specific plays you felt vital to your success?
I think that we were a bit lucky with our drafts and our plays against HellRaisers. After the first game, I understood which heroes I should pick/ban and everything became easier. I’m not saying that HR are bad, but it was a strangely smooth win.

I don’t think that there is a "special" Vega play-style. What we drafted was pretty typical for us, but... it went well. About NIP...ehm, this game decided nothing actually, both teams played poorly to be honest. We shouldn’t consider this match too much. I want to say that our roster change is the reason behind our success.


In regards to your roster change what brought you guys together? I saw that you referred to no[o]ne as the UA Sumail in your game against Alliance.
We played with 9pashaebashu and CeMaTheSlayeR for a long time. No[o]ne came from USH team (with DotaStalk and Androidp) which I played with for a month and TpoH came after he left M5.

About No[o]ne, yes he is some kind of Ukrainian Sumail. He is very young and ambitious and of course he is a very talented dota player. Actually, I found him through a Russian team named TEAM-ASC from the SLTV Pro Series, which I played for as a stand-in. I was very excited by his plays.


Why do you think your recent match against Alliance wasn't as successful? Did it come down to drafting or certain decisions in the match?
Our match against Alliance wasn’t successful only because everyone became very tired from a very tight match schedule this week. Plus, that was bo2 and bo3 with ONE team. If we lose something, we try to fix our issues with drafts/any plays, but there were no time for this.


With the ESL One qualifiers you may be matched up against some established teams. You may very well be expecting some long series to play. What will your team do to cope with a long series and keep your momentum?
Oh, that’s a very hard question though. We are trying to train some new stuff compared to the meta (it’s all about juggernaut, axe, etc), nothing else. We think that our old strategies and our new stuff will help us to win against any other enemy team.


Overall, you're a quite a new team and you've had a lot of success so far. Why do you think you've had such immediate success in this patch? What about the current patch/meta do you believe works with your play style?
I think that we are all very experienced players in dota2, except No[o]ne – he is the new guy. Dota is all about serious intentions with dota. When we played in Ahead Gaming, we played just for having fun, laughed in all official games and stuff. But now we are professionals, I think we are committing ourselves like talented and professional players and this is our success. There is nothing about meta/play style/players and so on, just serious doto.


Your team appears to be very focused on using teamwork to pick off your opponent and gain an advantage through a lot of activity on the map. It seems like this has been crucial to your success, but also has the potential to fall apart sometimes. How does your team adjust if you can't take the opponent by surprise?
I think that our style to make some pressure or activity on the map is comparable to many CIS teams, so there are no surprises. But I think that there are no benefits in this play style because of the patch. If you kill someone about 10 times, you’re getting nothing, but when you die after getting this huge streak while "actively diving" or applying "map pressure" it becomes a big problem. It’s actually hard to adjust our plays – I don’t know what to say about this.


What would you like to see change or comeback in the current meta?
Now that Phantom lancer is in captain’s mode, I want him to be a bit better for competitive games. I’m playing him successfully in matchmaking, but it’s not enough. Actually, I'd like to remove axe and barathrum from cm mode, they are really annoying! My team can't really play against SB, it’s hard to understand this hero. About axe? 10sec cd "anti-bkb disable"? Need I say more? I’m always aiming to ban this hero during a draft.


It seems like CIS teams have been doing very well in the current patch. What about this patch do you think empowers CIS dota?
I think that there are no really EARLY strats in this patch and no ULTRA LATE strats. Mid game was born for CIS doto. Kill, Kill, Aegis, Fight, Kill, Kill, Aegis to high ground. Heroes like Troll Warlord, Juggernaut, Shadow Fiend, and Sniper are great for this.


Besides ESL One, what other tournaments does your team have its eyes on? What can we expect to see from Vega for the rest of the year?
We are playing SLTV Starseries, Weplay Tournament, DotaPit, and joinDota Masters division 2. We are going to participle in the qualifiers for The Summit also.


Are there are any last words you would like to say to current and new Vega fans?
I just want to say hello to our fans, hope you’ll be proud of our Doto! Shout-outs to our sponsor's: G2A and Alexey, they are doing soooo much for us. And I wanna say "zdarova" to my team and friends (apathy, ved, fru, chib) and my girlfriend Nastia!
 
Was ist eigentlich mit den Server in dieser Woche los. Viele Spiele werden nich gewehrter aufgedeckt von Netzwerk Problemen. Die Starladder Spiele sind auch so chaotisch. Vorgestern Team Secret gegen Dusa gesehen. Sau unterhaltsam. Dauernd waren Spieler disconneted. Beim zweiten Match haben die gar nicht mehr probiert zu warten.das sah aus wie ein RMM Pub-Match....
 
Wir hatten gestern auch das gleiche Problem. Das Spiel gestern lief richtig gut (hab Support-Bounty gespielt :cool:) und auf einmal 8 von 10 Leuten disconnect und das Spiel wird nicht gewertet.
 
Die Server sind total im Arsch. Gestern 4 Spiele gemacht, alle super laggy und mit randomdiscs. Zwei Spiele hatten wir schon fast gewonnen, die dann wegen Network Condition nicht gewertet wurden. Die beiden Spiele in denen von uns drei Leute für Minuten weg waren (also nach den Pausen), wurden natürlich gewertet. Danke für nichts, über 100 Punkte verloren und damit unter 5k.

Da hier über Anfänger diskutiert wurde: Kenne viele Leute die mit dem Purge Guide sehr zufrieden waren: "Welcome to Dota, you suck".
 
Naja bei 5k Rating sitz er wohl eher im oberen Drittel der Dota Gesellschaft.
 
Das trifft wohl auch auf jeden um die 3k zu, über 5k sind wohl deutlich weniger als 1% der Spieler angesiedelt.
 
Ich dachte das 4k Rating der Durchschnitt ist bei aktiven Spielern. Hätte da mal so nen Graphic gesehen.
 
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