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Yes. Possibly roadblocks in your setup:I noticed that the 223+ Mhz FSB barrier is hard to pass in the Nforce2 and I saw that it is possible more with mods.
Yes, this is known, new versions crash at 15% while loading. Try either the Vintage version or CPU-Z v1.59 or below. Or reinstall your XP, CPU-Z >v1.59 will then work again for some time... My bench XP can start v2.x flawlessly on XP and Athlon XP.Note: for some reason the newer CPU-Z versions hardlock Windows XP with Athlon XPs...
Greetings and Welcome to this forum!Greetings from Portugal
I'm been following the post without registration and decided to post my Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe.
Yes, unfortunately is a locked CPU still it gives a reasonable overclock for retro gaming project.Greetings and Welcome!
Yes. Possibly roadblocks in your setup:
1. your cpu is multiplier locked, so when raising fsb your cpu will also clock higher
2. Is a modbios with soft L12 mod installed? If not, then this might stop you from going higher.
3. The default chipset voltage is very low on A7N8X. If the above isn't stopping you, this will at around 225Mhz.
And last but not least, your cpu does already need 1.8V for 2.5ghz. Maybe it just stops scaling and hits a wall. Usually the scaling above 1.8V is very bad, you gain ~100-150Mhz when going from 1.8V to 1.95V or even less. I got cpus which pass 2500 at 1.8V and won't pass 2550 at 1.95V...
Yes, this is known, new versions crash at 15% while loading. Try either the Vintage version or CPU-Z v1.59 or below. Or reinstall your XP, CPU-Z >v1.59 will then work again for some time... My bench XP can start v2.x flawlessly on XP and Athlon XP.
Thanks!Greetings and Welcome to this forum!
A nice board, that you have. I like the A7N8X-E Boards. So, thanks for sharing!
Keep in mind, that the default BIOSes might stop you from increasing the FSB value somewhere at 220MHz. For higher FSB clocks a mod BIOS is important. In your case the CPU is probably almost at its limit. Like Tzk wrote.
Uber bios is the most basic bios one can use on Asus. If you prefer "old" mods from back in the day and you want to keep the fsb at or below 235MHz, then i'd go with Trats. It's quite fast per clock, has the L12 mod included (so you won't run into fsb issues with low stock fsb cpus (133/166)) and he even updated the SATA rom to 4.2.50. Usually this is enough for a bit of retro gaming. Link to Trats mods: https://biosbude.de/! BIOS VAULT/Asus/A7N8X-E Deluxe/Trats/except the using the Uber bios (1013),
If you're looking for "open" cpus, then buy some older ones:Everytime I see a cheap Barton, I try to buy to binning it! 😂 Last two I bought were two Semprom 3000+, but they are really hardlocked...
I will have a look on the Trats Bioses for "normal"!Uber bios is the most basic bios one can use on Asus. If you prefer "old" mods from back in the day and you want to keep the fsb at or below 235MHz, then i'd go with Trats. It's quite fast per clock, has the L12 mod included (so you won't run into fsb issues with low stock fsb cpus (133/166)) and he even updated the SATA rom to 4.2.50. Usually this is enough for a bit of retro gaming. Link to Trats mods: https://biosbude.de/! BIOS VAULT/Asus/A7N8X-E Deluxe/Trats/
If you're feeling a bit more adventurous, then the mods made by @digitalbath are the right choice. You get completely new bios options (yes, we modded them into the bios), even newer sata rom (4.4.01) and romsips which are good for 250Mhz+ FSB, when the board is modded and the chipset has a decent silicon quality. I'd try either the ED55_A6 - it's a bit older. Or his newest 619XT_B3X. Link where many of his mods are uploaded: https://biosbude.de/! BIOS VAULT/Asus/A7N8X-E Deluxe/digitalbath/
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Almost forgot. Even if some modded bios got the "chipset voltage" option, be aware that this option doesn't work at all. Asus simply didn't include this option in hardware, so it's useless.
If you're looking for "open" cpus, then buy some older ones:
Before week 30 almost all Tbred B and Barton cpus should be unlocked.
From week 30 to 40 some are locked and some aren't.
After week 40 almost all cpus are locked, except mobiles (XP-m) and Geode.
The bad news is, around week 45-47 AMD introduced some silicon optimizaton, that's why these cpus clock significantly better. So if you want a multi-unlocked and high clocking cpu, then you're stuck with mobile Bartons. And especially these that got the IQYHA and IDYHA stepping are hard to get and expensive.
Yes. I believe the push/pull and open drain config is what's holding him back. Either newer Athlon XP won't run with open drain or the old boards don't support push/pull. Either way this is probably the issue why they never released slotkets for slot A/socket 462.One thing to remind is that KT133 boards don't support A-XP so maybe this difference is what is preventing you from booting.
So it might be the same issue as with KT133. So it's better to try with 751 and with TB CPUs."We believe that it will give a solution for Irongate Boardbesitzer with high probability. Unfortunately we can deliver still no similar prognosis for KX133."
Slot A to Socket A adapter were never released to the public due to problems with certain VIA based mainboards. At the time AMD changed it's processors back to a socketed version this adapter was made available to mainboard manufacturers to test current board designs to comply with the new CPU. During these tests problems were identified that lead to the point of not releasing the adapter to the public. Only tested OEM systems (containing preassembled mainboard, adapter and Socket A CPU) were sold. So you might find one of these rare systems containing Slot A adapters.
The converter was only available for system integrators during migration phase of AMD processors.These were only intended for testing purposes during transition time. That's why you won't find boards with dual socket configurations as you do for intel Slot 1 / Socket 370.
Possible solution:
OEM only & system integrators only versions of AMD K7 CPUs exist that come in Slot A format but have internally a LIF (low insertion force) Socket A carrying a Socket A CPU. This is a K7 Thunderbird in a Slot A package. So you might find one of these rare systems containing Slot A adapters.
During transition time AMD itself sold several Socket A CPU's packaged in Slot A (Thunderbird core / model 4). If you can get hold of one of these you've got what you want.
These processors can be identified by their CPU ID: 6-4-1 and 6-4-2
On top of the Slot case should be printed: "AMD-A650MTR51B C" and NOT "AMD-K7650MTR51B C"
This is where apperom's BIOS patcher helps. My KT133 works without problems with my Barton CPUs. The MSR register for changing Multi doesn't work though. The MSR support started with the KT133A chipset.One thing to remind is that KT133 boards don't support A-XP so maybe this difference is what is preventing you from booting.
| Board | PCB Farbe | Slot Farbe | |
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Albatron | KX18D Pro | blau | weiß/grün | |
AsRock | K7NF2-RAID | blau | weiß/blau | |
Gigabyte | GA-7NNXP und GA-7N400S | blau | "gigabunt" | |
MERCURY | KNU400X-L | blau | weiß/rot | |
QDI | K7N2S | blau | weiß | |
Shuttle | AN35-N Ultra | blau | weiß/blau | |
Asus | A7N8X-E Deluxe | braun/bronze | weiß/blau | |
Leadtek Winfast | K7NCR18D PRO | braun/bronze | weiß/lila | |
Shuttle | SN45GV2 / 3 | braun/bronze | weiß/blau | |
Soltek | 75FRN2 | gold | gelb | |
Epox | 8RDA3 / 8RDA6 | grün | weiß/lila | |
Nvidia | Referenz Board | grün | weiß | |
ECS | N2U400-A | lila | weiß/blau | |
Abit | NF7 v2.0 / AN7 | rot-orange | weiß | |
Biostar | M7NCD Pro | rot | weiß/blau | |
DFI | Infinity | rot | weiß/blau | |
MSI | K7N2 Delta-L | rot | weiß/lila | |
Aopen | AK79D | schwarz | weiß | |
Chaintech | Zenith 7NJS | schwarz | gelb | |
DFI | Lanparty Ultra B | schwarz | UV grün | |
Leadtek Winfast | K7NCR18D Pro2 Deluxe Limited Edition | schwarz | bunt | |
MSI | MSI K7N2 Delta2 LSR/FSR/Platinum | schwarz | bunt |