tekniq
Korvettenkapitän , Imperialer Rekrutierer
ich denke mal das hat damit zu tun, dass nicht die panzer dann zum campen genutzt werden sondern halt als deckung beim vormarsch primär..? ansonsten könnten sie einfach die load times erhöhen statt alle 5 sekunden schießen halt alle 25 sekunden.. aber dann wäre das geschütz in den schnellen bf battles unnütz.. einmal geballert und dann ewig warten? ich denke der kompromiss war ne lange debatte bei denen und evtl sehr weise.. ?
und wenn man allen granaten den damageoutput erhöht wegen gerechtigkeit müsste man auch den grenade launcher irgendwie wieder nerfen oder jeder würde damit rumlaufen. stellt euch einfach vor das game ist in der zukunft und die leute haben super rüstungen ^^
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hier etwas interessantes zum Sound:
An Audiophile's Guide to BF:BC2 (Full)
BY: katamakel one of the audio programmers at DICE.
Hi there!
I'm one of the audio programmers at DICE responsible for the audio tech in Frostbite. We know there are many people out there who care passionately about audio in our games, so we thought it'd be nice to give you some information on how our audio engine works and why we do things the way we do. Hopefully with this information you'll know how to get the most out of the audio in Bad Company on whichever platform you choose to play it on. It's going to get quite technical, but I'll try to summarize each section to make everything crystal clear.
Background
When we started building our "Next Gen" engine, Frostbite, we thought about what "Next Gen" would mean for us on the audio side of things. We came to the conclusion that we wanted to be able to use more filters in order to be able to create more dynamic sound behavior, and we wanted the same functionality and result across all platforms we target. This meant doing all the audio processing ourselves. We'd previously used software mixing in BF:1942 and hybrid hardware/software mixing in BF:Modern Combat on the PS2 (to be able to add some filters and 16 more "voices"), but before this point sound in games was mostly just playing back wave forms almost completely unaffected except for volume and pitch alterations.
This of course meant that we wanted sounds to be able to have an arbitrary amount of filters and submixes in any order, which hardware accelerating audio pipelines simply didn't/doesn't support. We felt confident in the fact that all our target platforms either had moved (Xbox360, PS3) or were about to move (PC) to software-based audio pipelines, instead of having fixed-functionality hardware pipelines (Xbox, PS2, some sound cards on PC), so software mixing was the obvious choice for us.
So in short, we went down a path that let us do things exactly the way we felt we needed to do it in order to continue to deliver a high-quality, innovative aural experience in our games and I hope you all agree we've succeeded!
Performance
Naturally, doing all of the audio processing in software puts the CPU under some extra strain. Since Xbox360/PS3 has fixed hardware and both have multiple cores available to do many things in parallel, you could say this is only an issue for the PC SKU where we may end up having less cores than on console. In Bad Company, all audio processing is performed sequentially on a single hardware thread regardless of platform. For PC this means that a CPU with a higher frequency will help more than one with more cores. But of course, there are other areas of the game that execute in parallel, so having more than 2 cores will help the game in general. This is an area we're constantly looking to improve and the results of our efforts will show up in future titles.
The bottom line is that as long as your computer lives up to the minimum spec for the game, things will be just fine. If you're on console there's obviously no need to worry about this stuff at all.
Fidelity
As is common today, we do all audio processing in 32-bit IEEE floating point (at 48kHz) in order to maintain the highest fidelity possible in the final audio stream we deliver to the platform's underlying audio driver. Our source wave forms are encoded using different codecs depending on what is most optimal for each platform. Those codecs are what affects the quality of the audio that the game produces the most. Once we've passed the audio to the underlying audio driver, any difference in fidelity depends on how that driver mixes our audio in together with other audio streams from other active processes and what gear you have. On PC we convert our audio to 16-bit PCM before sending it to DirectSound instead of relying on DirectSound to do it for us. This is mostly a legacy workaround for compatibility/quality issues with some sound cards, but adding support for more than 16-bit output would result in an invalidation of many years worth of tweaking and tuning done to reliably output quality audio through DirectSound, without any noticeable improvement in final audio fidelity for you guys and a massive increase in QA work for us. I'll dedicate the entire next section to this 16-bit "controversy" so those of you who are already in the know, or simply don't care, can skip it easier.
As I already mentioned, the gear you listen to the game through will of course affect the audio fidelity. If you're really keen on audio, you will want to either avoid using the internal DAC that is on your sound card (PC) or in your console. This is simple to do, just make sure you use digital audio output! It's only once you need to go from digital to analog (like to the speakers) that you will need to go through a DAC. You'll also want to keep the DAC outside your computer/console to reduce the induction of noise from other components. This could be as simple as using an external sound card (PC) or a hi-fi/surround system (consoles or PC if your sound card supports digital output).
The next thing to remember is to turn off as much post-processing as possible and make sure you have nice speakers. Any "enhancements" made to the signal after we send it to the audio driver may introduce unwanted artifacts, so turn off "Cinema" modes, "Crispalizers" and such. This goes for sound cards in PCs, home theatre systems and TVs alike. Our sound designers take great care to mix and even master the game thoughtfully, so make sure to select the "Sound System" setting in the audio options screen so that it corresponds as closely as possible to the gear you have! This way the game will adapt its EQ settings and dynamic range to try and make sure the game sounds as clear as possible through your speakers.
Let's simplify all this down and say that 5.1/48kHz/16-bit will get you the best experience on PC, and on consoles a mid-range sound system will do just fine. The game was made with 5.1 (and stereo) in mind, so there's no need to invest in a fancy new 7.1 system.
Bit Depth
I will try to keep this section short, but in doing so I'll have to make it quite technical. In digital audio, bit depth refers to the dynamic range of each sample in an audio signal. So 16-bit PCM gives us a dynamic range of about 96 dB (the simplified formula is 6*bitCount). Don't confuse bit depth with bit rate (number of bits per second) or sample rate, which decides the highest frequency possible to represent as half the sample rate. The human ear typically has a dynamic range of about 120 dB. So our 16 bits won't fully cover the entire dynamic range of the ear. Now if you simply look at the numbers you might feel that since 96 < 120 it would be obvious to want 24 bits (32-bit DACs aren't really used in consumer products) since the dynamic range would be a whopping 144 dB! In reality however, most consumer DACs will have an SNR (Signal-Noise Ratio) below 96 dB and only if you have a really fancy card it'll have an SNR above 96 dB, if you're lucky. And those are measurements done in an optimal environment, not inside your machine! What that means is that you'll start hearing the noise louder than the intended audio signal as it gets that quiet.
You could of course reason that turning the volume up would make even the quietest signal audible, but consider that even if you might be able to get your sound system to play back a 0 dB FS signal (loudest possible output from a sound card) much louder than 100 dB SPL, you wouldn't be able to stand listening to it for long without your ears hurting. Indeed, around 140 dB SPL would mean painful damage to our ears.
So OK, getting the quietest 16-bit signal loud enough in your speakers to be easily heard isn't the most difficult thing to do, but noise will not be far behind and what you'd hear would not benefit your gaming experience in any way. In fact, the HDR audio system in Frostbite culls sounds on loudness during processing, so the 96 dB of dynamic range that 16-bit PCM gives us is more than sufficient to represent our final mix. Also worth mentioning is the fact that it's more important to have a larger dynamic range earlier in the audio processing chain. For example, recording in 24-bit has clear advantages over 16-bit because you'll want your source material as detailed as possible. This is also why all our processing is done in 32-bit floating point, it will retain our source material's dynamic range as well as possible throughout all the processing that we subject it to. But once we've mixed and mastered everything down to a single "full scale" audio stream, 16 bits means plenty of dynamic range.
In short, don't stare yourself blind on numbers on a box with shiny labels, but by all means make sure you have a nice DAC (high SNR) and some nice speakers.
Hardware Acceleration
I touched upon this briefly in the Background section, but it's worth clarifying. Hardware acceleration has been trailing the obvious development in how audio is treated in games for years, unlike graphics acceleration that instead has pushed that area continuously forward. Nowadays even GPGPUs suit the needs of contemporary audio processing better than do hardware accelerating sound cards and we're very excited about the opportunities that something like Intel's Larrabee might give us.
Also, the main benefit that hardware accelerating sound cards has provided to date has been environmental effects, such as reverberation. We believe that we get equivalent or better, more consistent, results from our software solution for a modest CPU cost by today's standards. Even the software APIs available for these cards are lacking in many areas, mainly by retaining the structure of DirectSound that even Microsoft themselves have now abandoned for game development in favor of the more up-to-date XAudio API.
There's nothing to say these APIs couldn't be updated to support the type of functionality needed for advanced audio processing, but the hardware would really need to approach a more general-purpose processor than what today's cards have and then we're back at Larrabee or simply a regular CPU with more cores.
In Closing
Everyone here in the audio department at DICE are very passionate about what we do and on behalf of all of us I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your encouraging comments and interest in audio in our games, be it on the blog, forums or in comments on videos!
We'll keep an eye on your comments for thoughts that might inspire another post about audio in Frostbite.
Thank you.
quelle: http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/...46-war-tapes-sound-crackles-really-bad-3.html
und wenn man allen granaten den damageoutput erhöht wegen gerechtigkeit müsste man auch den grenade launcher irgendwie wieder nerfen oder jeder würde damit rumlaufen. stellt euch einfach vor das game ist in der zukunft und die leute haben super rüstungen ^^
---------- Beitrag hinzugefügt um 11:05 ---------- Vorheriger Beitrag war um 11:03 ----------
hier etwas interessantes zum Sound:
An Audiophile's Guide to BF:BC2 (Full)
BY: katamakel one of the audio programmers at DICE.
Hi there!
I'm one of the audio programmers at DICE responsible for the audio tech in Frostbite. We know there are many people out there who care passionately about audio in our games, so we thought it'd be nice to give you some information on how our audio engine works and why we do things the way we do. Hopefully with this information you'll know how to get the most out of the audio in Bad Company on whichever platform you choose to play it on. It's going to get quite technical, but I'll try to summarize each section to make everything crystal clear.
Background
When we started building our "Next Gen" engine, Frostbite, we thought about what "Next Gen" would mean for us on the audio side of things. We came to the conclusion that we wanted to be able to use more filters in order to be able to create more dynamic sound behavior, and we wanted the same functionality and result across all platforms we target. This meant doing all the audio processing ourselves. We'd previously used software mixing in BF:1942 and hybrid hardware/software mixing in BF:Modern Combat on the PS2 (to be able to add some filters and 16 more "voices"), but before this point sound in games was mostly just playing back wave forms almost completely unaffected except for volume and pitch alterations.
This of course meant that we wanted sounds to be able to have an arbitrary amount of filters and submixes in any order, which hardware accelerating audio pipelines simply didn't/doesn't support. We felt confident in the fact that all our target platforms either had moved (Xbox360, PS3) or were about to move (PC) to software-based audio pipelines, instead of having fixed-functionality hardware pipelines (Xbox, PS2, some sound cards on PC), so software mixing was the obvious choice for us.
So in short, we went down a path that let us do things exactly the way we felt we needed to do it in order to continue to deliver a high-quality, innovative aural experience in our games and I hope you all agree we've succeeded!
Performance
Naturally, doing all of the audio processing in software puts the CPU under some extra strain. Since Xbox360/PS3 has fixed hardware and both have multiple cores available to do many things in parallel, you could say this is only an issue for the PC SKU where we may end up having less cores than on console. In Bad Company, all audio processing is performed sequentially on a single hardware thread regardless of platform. For PC this means that a CPU with a higher frequency will help more than one with more cores. But of course, there are other areas of the game that execute in parallel, so having more than 2 cores will help the game in general. This is an area we're constantly looking to improve and the results of our efforts will show up in future titles.
The bottom line is that as long as your computer lives up to the minimum spec for the game, things will be just fine. If you're on console there's obviously no need to worry about this stuff at all.
Fidelity
As is common today, we do all audio processing in 32-bit IEEE floating point (at 48kHz) in order to maintain the highest fidelity possible in the final audio stream we deliver to the platform's underlying audio driver. Our source wave forms are encoded using different codecs depending on what is most optimal for each platform. Those codecs are what affects the quality of the audio that the game produces the most. Once we've passed the audio to the underlying audio driver, any difference in fidelity depends on how that driver mixes our audio in together with other audio streams from other active processes and what gear you have. On PC we convert our audio to 16-bit PCM before sending it to DirectSound instead of relying on DirectSound to do it for us. This is mostly a legacy workaround for compatibility/quality issues with some sound cards, but adding support for more than 16-bit output would result in an invalidation of many years worth of tweaking and tuning done to reliably output quality audio through DirectSound, without any noticeable improvement in final audio fidelity for you guys and a massive increase in QA work for us. I'll dedicate the entire next section to this 16-bit "controversy" so those of you who are already in the know, or simply don't care, can skip it easier.
As I already mentioned, the gear you listen to the game through will of course affect the audio fidelity. If you're really keen on audio, you will want to either avoid using the internal DAC that is on your sound card (PC) or in your console. This is simple to do, just make sure you use digital audio output! It's only once you need to go from digital to analog (like to the speakers) that you will need to go through a DAC. You'll also want to keep the DAC outside your computer/console to reduce the induction of noise from other components. This could be as simple as using an external sound card (PC) or a hi-fi/surround system (consoles or PC if your sound card supports digital output).
The next thing to remember is to turn off as much post-processing as possible and make sure you have nice speakers. Any "enhancements" made to the signal after we send it to the audio driver may introduce unwanted artifacts, so turn off "Cinema" modes, "Crispalizers" and such. This goes for sound cards in PCs, home theatre systems and TVs alike. Our sound designers take great care to mix and even master the game thoughtfully, so make sure to select the "Sound System" setting in the audio options screen so that it corresponds as closely as possible to the gear you have! This way the game will adapt its EQ settings and dynamic range to try and make sure the game sounds as clear as possible through your speakers.
Let's simplify all this down and say that 5.1/48kHz/16-bit will get you the best experience on PC, and on consoles a mid-range sound system will do just fine. The game was made with 5.1 (and stereo) in mind, so there's no need to invest in a fancy new 7.1 system.
Bit Depth
I will try to keep this section short, but in doing so I'll have to make it quite technical. In digital audio, bit depth refers to the dynamic range of each sample in an audio signal. So 16-bit PCM gives us a dynamic range of about 96 dB (the simplified formula is 6*bitCount). Don't confuse bit depth with bit rate (number of bits per second) or sample rate, which decides the highest frequency possible to represent as half the sample rate. The human ear typically has a dynamic range of about 120 dB. So our 16 bits won't fully cover the entire dynamic range of the ear. Now if you simply look at the numbers you might feel that since 96 < 120 it would be obvious to want 24 bits (32-bit DACs aren't really used in consumer products) since the dynamic range would be a whopping 144 dB! In reality however, most consumer DACs will have an SNR (Signal-Noise Ratio) below 96 dB and only if you have a really fancy card it'll have an SNR above 96 dB, if you're lucky. And those are measurements done in an optimal environment, not inside your machine! What that means is that you'll start hearing the noise louder than the intended audio signal as it gets that quiet.
You could of course reason that turning the volume up would make even the quietest signal audible, but consider that even if you might be able to get your sound system to play back a 0 dB FS signal (loudest possible output from a sound card) much louder than 100 dB SPL, you wouldn't be able to stand listening to it for long without your ears hurting. Indeed, around 140 dB SPL would mean painful damage to our ears.
So OK, getting the quietest 16-bit signal loud enough in your speakers to be easily heard isn't the most difficult thing to do, but noise will not be far behind and what you'd hear would not benefit your gaming experience in any way. In fact, the HDR audio system in Frostbite culls sounds on loudness during processing, so the 96 dB of dynamic range that 16-bit PCM gives us is more than sufficient to represent our final mix. Also worth mentioning is the fact that it's more important to have a larger dynamic range earlier in the audio processing chain. For example, recording in 24-bit has clear advantages over 16-bit because you'll want your source material as detailed as possible. This is also why all our processing is done in 32-bit floating point, it will retain our source material's dynamic range as well as possible throughout all the processing that we subject it to. But once we've mixed and mastered everything down to a single "full scale" audio stream, 16 bits means plenty of dynamic range.
In short, don't stare yourself blind on numbers on a box with shiny labels, but by all means make sure you have a nice DAC (high SNR) and some nice speakers.
Hardware Acceleration
I touched upon this briefly in the Background section, but it's worth clarifying. Hardware acceleration has been trailing the obvious development in how audio is treated in games for years, unlike graphics acceleration that instead has pushed that area continuously forward. Nowadays even GPGPUs suit the needs of contemporary audio processing better than do hardware accelerating sound cards and we're very excited about the opportunities that something like Intel's Larrabee might give us.
Also, the main benefit that hardware accelerating sound cards has provided to date has been environmental effects, such as reverberation. We believe that we get equivalent or better, more consistent, results from our software solution for a modest CPU cost by today's standards. Even the software APIs available for these cards are lacking in many areas, mainly by retaining the structure of DirectSound that even Microsoft themselves have now abandoned for game development in favor of the more up-to-date XAudio API.
There's nothing to say these APIs couldn't be updated to support the type of functionality needed for advanced audio processing, but the hardware would really need to approach a more general-purpose processor than what today's cards have and then we're back at Larrabee or simply a regular CPU with more cores.
In Closing
Everyone here in the audio department at DICE are very passionate about what we do and on behalf of all of us I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your encouraging comments and interest in audio in our games, be it on the blog, forums or in comments on videos!
We'll keep an eye on your comments for thoughts that might inspire another post about audio in Frostbite.
Thank you.
quelle: http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/...46-war-tapes-sound-crackles-really-bad-3.html
