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ehm wo? kannst du den posten bitte?genau den im link von Wera
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lol. ich hatte die Links mit den Tools zittiert. Aber ich ich hatte vorher schon gesagt ich zahl keine 200 für ein Kühler, also war ich beim Kühler. egal...Du zitierst den Post mit den Links und fragst, welchen er hat und fragst dann noch nach den Links?
Meine Antwort dazu:ja ich zahl keine 200 für einen direct die Kühler. oder eben so ein drehmomentschlüssel. wieviel nm muss der angezogen werden? 0.6nm ?
Die war darauf bezogen das du mit einem Drehmomentschraubendreher die 200€ nicht erreichst0,45Nm hab ich meinen ab 0,6 geht der MC SP runter 0,4 und drunter wird temp schlechter
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so schlimm kommts preislich aber nicht:
Aktueller Karhu zwischenstand:Mal ein kleines update...
da ich mir am 8000er XMP Profil die zähne ausgebissen habe, habe ich vor ~einer Woche mit dem 7600er angefangen.
(ja ging ne weile, hab aber auch nicht täglich zeit gehabt, war beruflich ziemlich eingespannt...)
Durch viel lesen, rumprobieren und sehr oft ärgern hab ich wohl eine beim mir funktionierende Einstellung gefunden für 7600MT's:
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Mit abstand das schönste was ich in den letzten Tagen gelesen habe:
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Hello~Hi Veii,
Do you have any idea where to start to fix the issue?
I know if I will start it by myself, I will just mess up the profile.
I'm really not sure on that.CPU should be stable. Passed 2x 90 min on 8400C36 with the same setting.
CPU setting is P59x3 P58x5 P57x8 + 2TVB E45X R45-50X LLC4 IA_ACLL 0.22 ICCMAX 420A
Thank you!Hello~
I'm really not sure about that.
Very much not.
1.43 VID requests are guaranteed throttle
That on top of ICCMAX being "low" normal , can mean it will hit it even faster
And that then will mean that it throttles even stronger and might actually lack voltage - even if you basically overvolt now.
PL4 (ICCMAX) also counts for DDR not only the cores
WTRS is a bit high for my taste but I think everything is ok
RDWR SG/DG gives buffer. Same for _DR & _DD give buffer.
While I don't like some timings,
If TM5 says its ok, it probably is
Any new updates on the Bios config
Anything I can inspect as of now?
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VTT means Termination PLL , or which PLL ?
Any voltage offsets used besides TVB & IA_AC ??
What is VR_MAX on?
Did you use anything for CTL0 Skews?
EDIT:
PMIC stability looks good and perf data looks alright (if you read last like 4-5 big posts)
But those VID requests are too high for my taste
Thank you!
Yes, lower WR SG/DG made some trouble for me in the past, so it's a bit loose. Do you have suggestion for that? I would retest it if that could help a liittle.
Its not really "low" per-se.With that I was able to pass 20 Cycles of Usmus with a really low voltage.
PLL will mess with it, Slopes and Groups will mess with itI tried to keep my previous VDDQ - TX delta from my 8400C36 profile, looks like 0.15V is good for me.
I will set offsets on V/F curve like @zebra_hun did, but I am really busy nowadays and that is very time consuming. Tought maybe it's okay if it's already passed several times.
P1 ~ (-69)
P2 ~ (-66)
P3 ~ (-24)
P4 ~ (+12)
P5 ~ (+6)
P6 ~ (-60)
P7 ~ (-138)
P8 ~ (-142)
P9 ~ (-146)
P10 ~ (-147)
P11 ~ (-150)
Down to 1550 for nowMy VR_MAX is 1720 mV I believe.
Your example
^ looks solid
You understood
Your problem arises, because IA supply factors 4 things in. At leastLLC4 IA_ACLL 0.22
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its where it has to be ~ 22
Its not really "low" per-se.
PLL should be not be used outside XOC scenarios.
We both know the scaling but like , its too early.
You crash at couple minutes, so how are we supposed to reach 4-6 hours
PLL will mess with it, Slopes and Groups will mess with it
VDDQ Training will mess with it
Biosupdates will mess with it
And VDD/Q delta on mem itself will mess with it
Oh right, SA will mess with it, due to side-issue of ODT messing with it.
Outside those little things, ya its fine 🤭
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Soo probably start with
Something along those linesCode:P1 ~ (-69) P2 ~ (-66) P3 ~ (-24) P4 ~ (+12) P5 ~ (+6) P6 ~ (-60) P7 ~ (-138) P8 ~ (-142) P9 ~ (-146) P10 ~ (-147) P11 ~ (-150)
Down to 1550 for now
IA AC down to 0.35 for now
Then either give me a phone recording or capture somehow
SFT VST VT3 with HWInfo
Nothing else open.
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You may also want to show it visually (before opening anything else)
on ASUS OC_TOOL
Your exampleYour problem arises, because IA supply factors 4 things in. At least
Its not only the the p-ccores, not only the e-cores , not only ring.
Real IMC voltage is not VDDIO.
Ive factored that inShould I keep LLC4 or set LLC 3 instead?
Why would you only test ~31GB in VST/VT3 when you have 48GB in total?@Veii
Hi Veii,
Do you have any idea where to start to fix the issue?
I know if I will start it by myself, I will just mess up the profile.
TX: 1.30V
SA: 1.18V
MC_VDD: 1.475V
DRAM VDD: 1.47V
DRAM VDDQ: 1.45V
VTT: 1.1V
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Ya but noI searched a lot of results for Heaven Benchmark. ~40-50 fps is the minimum for everyone.
HmmmWhy would you only test ~31GB in VST/VT3 when you have 48GB in total?
All is on purposeI searched a lot of results for Heaven Benchmark. ~40-50 fps is the minimum for everyone.
Since there are 26 runs, there are 25 switches and fast charging, which is why the min fps is so low, since it also measures those.
Didnt you say SpectreOS at first ? I'm on Revi the whole time and don't feel like updating // (this image is ~1 year old, and gets maintained)Revi OS + Park Controll.
@zebra_hunEDIT:
Wenn du alles schließt, auf wie viele Processes kommst du ?
88 wäre bei mir mit 28 Browser Fenster, Discord und das Screenshot Programm.
Guten MorgenGuten Morgen!
Win11 Revi ist ganz ok ~ aber ich kenne nur die alte Version. (v1702)W11 aber normal, wo ich immer getested. W10 ist Revi OS, aber ich werde beide OS neu installiert.
Because the bitrate is faster with this and hammers the IMC harder. This is not memtest,. It's IMC test. For the Dimms there is the 20 cycles Usmus with 98-99 usage.Why would you only test ~31GB in VST/VT3 when you have 48GB in total?
Unsure~and hammers the IMC harder. This is not memtest,. It's IMC test
Thank you, I will do that later today.Unsure~
Y-cruncher itself is not a memtest.
But HCI/Karhu & TM5 are different kind of memtests which equally let Ring be utilized.
VT3 messes with:
~ E Cores
~Ring
~L$
~ ^ Which then is offloaded to mem
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It's not about what performs faster, but what loads the CPU completely.
14,15,16,17 has a target to fill Backend and MemSubsystem as best as it can.
After inputting curve values , please share a visual curve before you start any tests.
I need to make sure lowest parts are ok, because you put me in a position to guess blind ~ to help you invest less time.
I don't feel like being tech support
But so far it's ok~~
Need you to find a way to invest the time and work by yourself further, or not bother with it
I got no DDR5 system anymore.
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CTL0 DQ should be somewhere between (181-99 // 180-98 // 182-100)
Somewhere there, and before you/we play with them ~ we need to test CPU stability
That is SFT and double check if something messed up on VST+VT3.
8533.33333(∞)4 , is such an unfriendly clock.
Hi, i can see you have the Apex Encore, but which general RAM Sticks do you have 8000 , 8200 or 8400?Thank you, I will do that later today.
You are better off „hammering“ under complete load, otherwise the CPU is not working with the entire available memory. TM5 with 1usmus‘ profile tends to error out between 20 and 25 cycles in my experience that’s why I do 25.Because the bitrate is faster with this and hammers the IMC harder. This is not memtest,. It's IMC test. For the Dimms there is the 20 cycles Usmus with 98-99 usage.
It's Gskill 8000.Hi, i can see you have the Apex Encore, but which general RAM Sticks do you have 8000 , 8200 or 8400?
Then I will use higher amount next time. Thank you!You are better off „hammering“ under complete load, otherwise the CPU is not working with the entire available memory. TM5 with 1usmus‘ profile tends to error out between 20 and 25 cycles in my experience that’s why I do 25.
Old one with the 13900K:
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Moin @Veii
Thank you.Ive factored that in
It works for me.At least on ASUS Boards negative VF-offsets do not work. I set a global -0.125V OffSett an partly compensate it with positive offsets in the V/F curve as a workaround.
Its exactly what i wanted. Thank you
Tibcsi:
SFT , 5.7-4.5
GVID 1214
Vout 1208
UCVID 1304
SAVID 1181
L2$ 1136
IA_PL4 NO
351W, 77° Burst
==================================
VST, 5.7*-4.5
// * slight throttle
GVID 1238
Vout 1234
UCVID,SAVID,L2$ =//=
IA_PL4 NO
330W, 72° Burst
==================================
VT3, 5.7*-4.5
// * slight throttle
GVID 1233
Vout 1225
UCVID,SAVID,L2$ =//=
IA_PL4 Y/NO
RING Hit PL4
330W, 75° Burst
It is completely my fault for making a calculation mistake between P1-P3Thank you.
Your values made my computer totally freeze, so tried to do it myself. Probably it's due to the AC_LL 0.35 (my bad.. )
My method was to use the CB die sense table from my "stable" profile and put that values into the AC_LL 0.35 profile.
So with using the suggestedd AC_LL 0.35 I needed smaller offsets than what you suggested.
Highest voltage wins.At least on ASUS Boards negative VF-offsets do not work.
Good to see, i'm not alone with this work i visit your work now.It's Gskill 8000.
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Then I will use higher amount next time. Thank you!
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Thank you.
Your values made my computer totally freeze, so tried to do it myself. Probably it's due to the AC_LL 0.35 (my bad.. )
My method was to use the CB die sense table from my "stable" profile and put that values into the AC_LL 0.35 profile.
So with using the suggestedd AC_LL 0.35 I needed smaller offsets than what you suggested.
Here is a video I made, just a small one, this SFT is not a funny load. (here is the one with the screen recorder: video )
A bit shaky, done it by hands. I made one with a capturer too, but that reduced the Y bitrate.
The bitrate on VT3 is much lower than what it was with my previous setting, even though the frequency is the same.
Probably something limits it.
Here is the default AC_LL 0.35 curve and the new one.
There is a drop on some small frequency which should be corrected later. But it's parallel with the default curve.
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Hey,Its exactly what i wanted. Thank you
Code:Tibcsi: SFT , 5.7-4.5 GVID 1214 Vout 1208 UCVID 1304 SAVID 1181 L2$ 1136 IA_PL4 NO 351W, 77° Burst ================================== VST, 5.7*-4.5 // * slight throttle GVID 1238 Vout 1234 UCVID,SAVID,L2$ =//= IA_PL4 NO 330W, 72° Burst ================================== VT3, 5.7*-4.5 // * slight throttle GVID 1233 Vout 1225 UCVID,SAVID,L2$ =//= IA_PL4 Y/NO RING Hit PL4 330W, 75° Burst
It is completely my fault for making a calculation mistake between P1-P3
A freeze is not bad
You do have 60mV headroom downwards.
I have to work blind and it was difficult.
Please retry my suggestion at 0.48mΩ AC_LL
That shouldd be plenty to make it to windows.
I need to visually see the curve, because there is a chance that i made a "between steps" mistakes.
Like 1-2mV off.
My math might have been 6-8mV off, but more importantly i need to check transitions & the ~2.5GHz curve.
Sorry 🙇♂️ Sadly Peters skillset is still far beyond mine. I'm just an amateur with no talents, except that i learn fast~
Highest voltage wins.
Learned on 12th gen, it changed with 13-14th gen.
Basics remain. 12th gen had individual points.
13-14th gen algo is more dynamic. Every point influences the other.
13-14th gen also need to be careful with transition steps.
Please read those notes carefully. Point 3 & 4
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EDIT:
V/F is Boardpartner exclusive.
Intel FW Feature.
It's on the Boardpartner's work to implement SVID presets
& give freedom for core/e-core/ring V/F modification access.
Of course we can. Just need some fine tuning on this one too.Good to see, i'm not alone with this work i visit your work now.
We can later maybe via WhatsApp or Viber to talk and show us this online
I can good quality video givin, and to show my settings. In windows works good Team viewer.
Share your setting in our hun Forum, too.
Wait for my answer plsThe slope looks much better for my eyes, let's see the SFT.
May you wait slightly.Share your setting in our hun Forum, too.
I ran a bit forward, but I will leave the PC soon.Wait for my answer pls
I need a visual inspection and as thought
This drops far too low
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Sec~
You can sanity check FFT for like 6-7 loops
Give it at least 15 minutes.
Till I get something
I just came back home
Am free for 2-3 hours. DDR4 Shenanigans passed.
I'll try to be a bit (tech) productive today.
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Maybe you wait a little.
I feel its not a flawless result.
Would be slightly embarrassing in the current state~
It's just "functional"
That's not enough~
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But we lack E-Core an ring curve access.
There is still plenty for work open. Need to work with supply offsets for Ring & E-Cores
Can you give on this a scroll capture, phone or merging two screenshotsI ran a bit forward, but I will leave the PC soon.
We target near 1150mV CoreVID or 1160ish Vout.I was able to boot with the IA AC 0.48 but it was insta BSOD with SFT. But I slowly raised the AC to 0.68 and I can pass. Load Vcore on SFT is 1.199V