Die Dinos sind da: Die Raptor-Lake-Prozessoren sind eingetroffen

[Scrush]

also kann dir aktuell nicht mit nem Screen dienen, irgendwas hackt hier sowas von falsch

CPU auslastung GPOU auslastung 2% und hack da ne ruckel orgie vom aller feinsten zwischen 10 fps und 168 fps aber das wechselt millisekündlich. keine ahnung was das ist,

shadercache laufen lassen? wobei ich nicht glaube dass man den überspringen kann kommt in der regel beim ersten start^^

edit : ok du hast die stadt noch nicht wieder hübsch gemacht ka ob das nen einfluss hat

aber 138fps vs 165vs geht ja noch. das ist kein so großer gap wie bei farcry

 

[Brainscan1979]

shadercache laufen lassen? wobei ich nicht glaube dass man den überspringen kann kommt in der regel beim ersten start^^

edit : ok du hast die stadt noch nicht wieder hübsch gemacht ka ob das nen einfluss hat

ja habs relativ neu weiter hab ich kein savestand ^^

 

[Resistance2X]

What is the "Direct P-core" SP for your chip? Not total SP, P-core only? You can see this in "AI OPTIONS" I think.

If you cannot run prediction at 5.5 and 5.6 ghz I think you should RMA the chip as defective. Your law in EU covers this.
I just checked my SP 113 (P core) chip right now for you. And I took pictures,

At prediction vcore for 5.6 ghz, I was able to pass Cinebench R23 at 18mv lower than prediction value, for 30 minutes. (load vcore was 1.181v, because of high vdroop on LLC4).
If your SP P cores is not too far away from this, and you can't pass at prediction, this is a defect and you should return the chip. Unless your SP reading is glitched because of "Z690 problem" somehow...
But instant crash in 2 seconds is extremely bad. That is like meaning you are -40mv too low to even start the test....

You set 1.435v, LLC=4 manual vcore, in BIOS for 5.6 ghz P cores ? and instant crash?
Are you sure your E-cores was x43 and cache was x45?





Stockfish chess needs more vcore (1.208v load absolute vmin).

My direct P-Core SP is 106. I tried running again with LLC 4 (Vdrop to 1.19V under load), everything stock except P-Cores (5600Mhz) and now my prediction was even higher with 1.45Vcore. Guess what? It instantly crashed during R23 again. I probably wouldnt be able to run such a massive voltage anyway with my 360 AIO. After that I tried with LLC 6 (Vdrop to 1.209 under load) and 5600Mhz 1.39V (as predicted) and the R23 run completed but I was thermal throttling... I guess when it kept 5600 stable it would have failed again. I think I will just RMA this garbage chip.

 

[Nozomu]

Oki fehler gefunden, hier dein Bild

Anhang anzeigen 809200

Ich hoffe du hast Monitor limit aus?

Sieht mir nach cap 165 Hz Moni aus 😅

 

[Scrush]

tv hat keine 165hz^^

fps limiter ist aus? @Brainscan1979

 

[Ruebennase]

Welche Punkte habt ihr so mit ein 13900K und 13700K ?

 

[Nozomu]

tv hat keine 165hz^^

Ups stimmt ^^

 

[Brainscan1979]

Ja limiter sind raus hab nur nen 120hz gsync TV. Ich werde mir das morgen in Ruhe nochmal angucken

 

[Scrush]

aber das ziemlich gleichmäßige framtime bild könnte ein ingame limiter sein

muss aber nicht. vll ist die engine so stabil

in dem fall auch noch zufall dass man die 165 trifft

 

[Nozomu]

Was ist das eigentlich für Game?

 

[Brainscan1979]

Ja ist aber wirklich kein limiter drin 😄

 

[meynhamburg]

Ich werde mal mit der vCore etwas runter gehen, mal sehen ab das klappt.

 

[Nozomu]

Ja ist aber wirklich kein limiter drin 😄

Perfekte 165 Hz CPU 🤣

 

[Resistance2X]

Was empfehlt ihr für 360er AIOs für den 13900K? Glaube langsam mein Kraken X72 kommt in die Jahre. Hab den 7700k noch damit gekühlt damals^^

 

[Brainscan1979]

Was empfehlt ihr für 360er AIOs für den 13900K? Glaube langsam mein Kraken X72 kommt in die Jahre. Hab den 7700k noch damit gekühlt damals^^

MoRa 🤩🤩🤩

 

[meynhamburg]

MoRa 🤩🤩🤩

Stimmt, Morgen Rasieren...

 

[Brainscan1979]

Ich war heute beim Kumpel sein 13900kf einrichten. Der hat ne custom wakü mit 2x360er radis. Ist mir manuellen oc nicht zu bändigen 1.275v war 98 grad

Läuft jetzt Stock mit 1.375v llc auto da bleibt der unter 90 grad

 

[Ruebennase]

Was ist ein MoRa ?

 

[Brainscan1979]

Was ist ein MoRa ?

Watercool MO-RA 420 PRO Black High-End Radiator, 259,95 €

Unser MO-RA3 Monsterradiator zählt zu den flexibelsten und leistungsfähigsten Radiatoren am Markt. Dabei überzeugt unser MO-RA3 Kunden weltweit nicht nur mi

shop.watercool.de

 

[meynhamburg]

Sowas feines hatte ich auch mal (MoRa), passte mir aber nicht in die Optik, heute Radiatoren nur noch im Gehäuse.

 

[Brainscan1979]

Mein mora an Tower 900 dahinter sind noch 2x489 60er radis drin 😛

 

[kampi71]

Was empfehlt ihr für 360er AIOs für den 13900K? Glaube langsam mein Kraken X72 kommt in die Jahre. Hab den 7700k noch damit gekühlt damals^^

P1 und P2 limitieren auf höchstens 300W bei ner AIO und Contact Frame benutzen.

 

[Falkentyne]

My direct P-Core SP is 106. I tried running again with LLC 4 (Vdrop to 1.19V under load), everything stock except P-Cores (5600Mhz) and now my prediction was even higher with 1.45Vcore. Guess what? It instantly crashed during R23 again. I probably wouldn't be able to run such a massive voltage anyway with my 360 AIO. After that I tried with LLC 6 (Vdrop to 1.209 under load) and 5600Mhz 1.39V (as predicted) and the R23 run completed but I was thermal throttling... I guess when it kept 5600 stable it would have failed again. I think I just want to RMA this garbage chip.

Hi, first of all, 1.39v LLC6 will not drop to 1.209v under load.
Even LLC5 will not drop this far.

Estimated 210A: (based on my own testing).
1390mv - (210 * 0.79mohm) = 1236mv and this is LLC5 (0.79mohm) = 1.236v load.

LLC6 is even stronger (0.49 mohm):

1390mv - (210 * .48)= 1289mv = 1.289v.
If you set 1.390v bios set and LLC6, your load vcore (Die-sense) is 1.289v
Of course you will thermal throttle. I cannot cool this vcore load either, I would be at 100C also.
Perhaps your "1.209v" is a typo and you meant 1.289v.

If you said 1.45v, LLC4, 210 amps, you get:
1450mv - (210 * .98) = 1244mv = 1.244v. LLC4 is 0.98 mohms of loadline.

My (Pcore: 113) CPU can pass this at 5.7 ghz on the P cores.

I know you may not want to listen to me, but I think you should RMA this CPU. This is defective if you cannot even pass this prediction.
Try a 13900 KF. There seem to be more "better" samples of KF than K right now.

 

[meynhamburg]

Läuft heute bei mir ...

 

[Brainscan1979]

Ich muss noch auf den passenden WB meiner Suprim X warten

 

[Falkentyne]

What do you recommend for 360 AIOs for the 13900K? I think my Kraken X72 is getting on in years. I used it to cool the 7700k back then ^^

Do you have a Noctua Secufirm 2 bracket available? (from NH-D15 air cooler?).
I think you can use this with Liquid Freezer II 360 or 420 AIO.

I already tested Secufirm 2 backplate with Eisbaer Extreme 280 AIO--(Eisbaer backplate is horrible--please never use this abortion abomination!) it is hard to get the thumbscrews (noctua screws) into the bolts, but you can do it with some pressure.
Then the contact pressure (downwards) will be very, very strong.
I did not test secufirm2 with Liquid Freezer II yet, but I think it will work (both 1700 and 1151 Secufirm versions will work if the other one does).

If you want super temps: With Thermalright Frame, Delid IHS, replace solder with liquid metal, sand UNDERSIDE EDGES OF IHS down about 0.2mm (to compensate for indium removal z-height), then replace IHS, use liquid metal on CPU die core and underside of IHS (contact area to die, both surfaces must be painted with liquid metal because LM needs tension on both sides!) AND then lightly sand top side of IHS to copper shining (to make it flatter), then re-lid the IHS, then also apply liquid metal on top of the IHS also (Danger--please apply kapton tape around the aluminum anti-bend thermalright frame because liquid metal can destroy aluminum, first!!!!, and do not apply LM edge to edge of IHS if you are using thermalright frame, leave 0.3mm distance from edge), you can probably get temps 20C lower than original IHS and solder.

This mod would be better with Secufirm 2 backplate than with Arctic backplate because you can increase the mounting pressure for the liquid metal.

 

[meynhamburg]

Prost!

 

[Resistance2X]

Hi, first of all, 1.39v LLC6 will not drop to 1.209v under load.
Even LLC5 will not drop this far.

Estimated 210A: (based on my own testing).
1390mv - (210 * 0.79mohm) = 1236mv and this is LLC5 (0.79mohm) = 1.236v load.

LLC6 is even stronger (0.49 mohm):

1390mv - (210 * .48)= 1289mv = 1.289v.
If you set 1.390v bios set and LLC6, your load vcore (Die-sense) is 1.289v
Of course you will thermal throttle. I cannot cool this vcore load either, I would be at 100C also.
Perhaps your "1.209v" is a typo and you meant 1.289v.

If you said 1.45v, LLC4, 210 amps, you get:
1450mv - (210 * .98) = 1244mv = 1.244v. LLC4 is 0.98 mohms of loadline.

My (Pcore: 113) CPU can pass this at 5.7 ghz on the P cores.

I know you may not want to listen to me, but I think you should RMA this CPU. This is defective if you cannot even pass this prediction.
Try a 13900 KF. There seem to be more "better" samples of KF than K right now.

Yeah sorry, I checked again and it was 1.289V. I cant pass the 5600Mhz LLC4 prediction, thats right. I do pass the 5500Mhz LLC4 one though with E-Cores at 4400Mhz and ring/cache at 5000Mhz @1.385V and drop to 1.190V. I got 40k points in R23 and ok temperatures with 82 - 90°C. I will probably still RMA next week though... Thanks for your help.

 

[Falkentyne]

Yeah sorry, I checked again and it was 1.289V. I can't pass the 5600Mhz LLC4 prediction, that's right. I do pass the 5500Mhz LLC4 one though with E-Cores at 4400Mhz and ring/cache at 5000Mhz @1.38V and drop to 1.190V. I got 40k points in R23 and ok temperatures with 82 - 90°C. I will probably still RMA next week though... Thanks for your help.

OK. So, after your RMA, please consider:

Thermalright bracket (anti-bend frame) OR Fiberglass bracket (aliexpress)--these are the two best ones.
Fiberglass bracket should be safer for liquid metal applications on top of IHS.
fiberglass is hard to find, the one Igor's Lab really liked, I think it can be found here: "https://www.superbuy.com/en/page/bu...ps://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=670635984854"
Thermal right bracket will require insulation (Kapton tape or conformal coating).

Liquid Freezer II 360/420. And Noctua Secufirm 2 bracket (makes it easier to get good pressure).

So, I suggest Liquid Freezer II 360 or 420. 420 is better for this.
If you are too scared to delid, that's fine.
But I also suggest buying Secufirm 2 (Socket 1700, but if you have this already, use that instead even if its 1151), then using liquid freezer II AIO with the secufirm 2.
You can buy secufirm 2 for USD $10. (I am American, sorry, not German).

Then you will have better mounting pressure. And it is an easy test to see if you can use noctua thumbscrews and bracket with the arctic.

 

[kampi71]

Do you have a Noctua Secufirm 2 bracket available? (from NH-D15 air cooler?).
I think you can use this with Liquid Freezer II 360 or 420 AIO.

I already tested Secufirm 2 backplate with Eisbaer Extreme 280 AIO--(Eisbaer backplate is horrible--please never use this abortion abomination!) it is hard to get the thumbscrews (noctua screws) into the bolts, but you can do it with some pressure.
Then the contact pressure (downwards) will be very, very strong.
I did not test secufirm2 with Liquid Freezer II yet, but I think it will work (both 1700 and 1151 Secufirm versions will work if the other one does).

If you want super temps: With Thermalright Frame, Delid IHS, replace solder with liquid metal, sand UNDERSIDE EDGES OF IHS down about 0.2mm (to compensate for indium removal z-height), then replace IHS, use liquid metal on CPU die core and underside of IHS (contact area to die, both surfaces must be painted with liquid metal because LM needs tension on both sides!) AND then lightly sand top side of IHS to copper shining (to make it flatter), then re-lid the IHS, then also apply liquid metal on top of the IHS also (Danger--please apply kapton tape around the aluminum anti-bend thermalright frame because liquid metal can destroy aluminum, first!!!!, and do not apply LM edge to edge of IHS if you are using thermalright frame, leave 0.3mm distance from edge), you can probably get temps 20C lower than original IHS and solder.

This mod would be better with Secufirm 2 backplate than with Arctic backplate because you can increase the mounting pressure for the liquid metal.

Absolutely. But damn, I'm missing those days where the whole delid procedure was a walk in the park because they just used some normal compound and with a specific delid tool, some liquid metal and heat resistent silicon based glue it was stressfree. But now with the indium stuff, ahhhh. 😬
😅